jjcale
Dec 10 2009, 20:20
QUOTE (Arion @ Dec 1 2009, 03:34)
There're gazillion things you have to think about when you design a car, I really doubt drivers' preferences are top priorities for them.
I had moved on from this point but this link turned up in another thread...
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/red-bull...style-8602.html Seems that [some??] teams do take driver style into account... I know Macca have said that they will not do this but at least we should all now be able to agree that it is unrealistic to simply believe that "engineers" would never do such a thing...
undersquare
Dec 10 2009, 21:07
QUOTE (jjcale @ Dec 10 2009, 20:20)
I had moved on from this point but this link turned up in another thread...
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/red-bull...style-8602.html Seems that [some??] teams do take driver style into account... I know Macca have said that they will not do this but at least we should all now be able to agree that it is unrealistic to simply believe that "engineers" would never do such a thing...
I agree. Not really knowing but I'd have thought things like "stability" would be part of the fundamental design. And they're trading off stability for agility, obviously, and one of the strengths of the ~24 was its ability to change direction. And Jenson needs a more stable/less agile car than Lewis.
Aero, for example, they're always talking about keeping the centre of pressure stable not letting it move around too much. But suppose they're looking at more downforce if they can accept a more volatile centre of pressure?
Well if that happens I think they'll go aggressive and give it it to Lewis.
ashnathan
Dec 10 2009, 21:30
I think it will look like the red bull with the front end of the 24 plus that wing they tested in prac and in jerez instead of the current one to be honest. and a 5 deck diffuser just to justify its existence haha
CrashTestDummy
Dec 11 2009, 07:44
QUOTE (feynman @ Dec 11 2009, 00:37)
not 25 related, but this is where all the Mac big-brains hangs out
the most recent fifthdriver twitpic, concentrates on Bruce's old red Austin 7
http://twitpic.com/sxz6pbut anyone help me with an ID of the green car in the far background ... image cropped for a closer view:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii14/de...9b/greenmac.jpghaven't seen it before. just curious as to what it is.
Looks like Johnny Rutherford's 1975 McLaren M16E. He finished 2nd in Indy 500 with this car in 1975.
Also, first post.
Hi all!
Best thread in this forum by far, lots of nice and knowing people - so had to finally register, if only just to say thanks to you all
feynman
Dec 11 2009, 11:47
Excellent, thanks for that.
I had seen pictures of the Indy-winning 74-M16C and 76-M16E, but both were in orange
1976 M16E
... so the Gatorade 75 is a nice little curiosity.
Cheers. And welcome, from a fellow recent register.
CrashTestDummy
Dec 12 2009, 10:23
I was thinking... Would it be outrageously off-topic if I reminded that today is the 50th Anniversary of Bruce McLaren's first Grand Prix win?
I mean, it's Saturday after all, so if anyone needs an occasion for proper celebration - this one fits perfectly! I know I will be celebrating today.
For sure 
klyster
Dec 12 2009, 22:43
QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Dec 12 2009, 10:23)
I was thinking... Would it be outrageously off-topic if I reminded that today is the 50th Anniversary of Bruce McLaren's first Grand Prix win?
For sure Hell no, three cheers for Bruce!!!
TheArmchairCritic
Dec 18 2009, 13:51
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Dec 18 2009, 13:51)
Cheers, and to you. Let's hope it's a very happy new year for us, Button and Hamilton.
undersquare
Dec 18 2009, 14:17
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Dec 18 2009, 13:51)
Lewis
pingu666
Dec 18 2009, 14:23
xD
hunnylander
Dec 18 2009, 14:37
craftverk
Dec 18 2009, 14:55
The MP4-2 is one of my favourite F1 cars of all time
mclarensmps
Dec 18 2009, 16:21
Wow, that TAG video finally had the first half decent remix of that song that I've heard.
Good video though, apart from that one microsecond flash of some guy's bare arse.
hunnylander
Dec 18 2009, 16:56
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Dec 18 2009, 19:21)
Good video though, apart from that one microsecond flash of some guy's bare arse.
I thought exactly the same.
Anonymous
Dec 18 2009, 17:00
Bonaventura
Dec 18 2009, 17:50
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Dec 18 2009, 17:21)
Wow, that TAG video finally had the first half decent remix of that song that I've heard.
Good video though, apart from that one microsecond flash of some guy's bare arse.
Could it be, that it's Lewis'
the (half ) naked guy in this other microsecond flashes?
The last flash with the hands on the shoulders , i think it's Lewis.
edit: the naked arse, its from a girl, not from a guy
Kimiraikkonen
Dec 18 2009, 21:30
This year starts our new era. Congratulations I am sure all
Regards!!
kerum gp
Dec 23 2009, 07:46
Looking forward seeing Lewis kicking Schumacher ass
. Ok, I know it's not real MS, there will probably be some neck pain, age issue, car problems etc.
But nevertheless, bring it on
There is some perverted pleasure in seeing aged idols making fools of themselves.
Come on, no Mclaren news? I had to bring up return of "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named" just to move the thread up
gloomyandy
Dec 23 2009, 10:07
QUOTE (Owen @ Dec 18 2009, 14:14)
Cheers, and to you. Let's hope it's a very happy new year for us, Button and Hamilton.
You know McLaren are getting rather good at this "new media" thing... I've enjoyed the little videos and other fun things they have been doing recently...
rodlamas
Dec 23 2009, 10:37
So we will see Lewis vs Michael on cars powered by the same Mercedes engine.
ViMaMo
Dec 23 2009, 10:57
I just hope the even year car turns out alright. 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 didnt produce the best cars.
CrashTestDummy
Dec 23 2009, 11:10
QUOTE (vivian @ Dec 23 2009, 15:57)
I just hope the even year car turns out alright. 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 didnt produce the best cars.
What was wrong with last year's car?
ViMaMo
Dec 23 2009, 11:18
QUOTE (CrashTestDummy @ Dec 23 2009, 16:40)
What was wrong with last year's car?
Nothing. But it wasnt so dominating. I just hope its atleast 2008 level.
CrashTestDummy
Dec 23 2009, 11:29
QUOTE (vivian @ Dec 23 2009, 16:18)
Nothing. But it wasnt so dominating. I just hope its atleast 2008 level.
Well, of course it would be great if Macca could dominate the rest '88-style', but I'm not sure if it is even possible nowadays. Let's just hope the car is competitive so Lewis and Jenson could do their job like we know they can
Just been looking at Autosport's own top 50 drivers of 2009.
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Jenson Button
Wouter
Dec 23 2009, 20:50
I wonder what the Petronas-Mercedes partnership will mean for Mclaren. Will they now also have to display Petronas - instead of Mobil 1 - by default because they use the Mercedes engine, or will it, to the contrary, mean that they are now free to keep Mobil1 as partner and sponsor?
QUOTE (Wouter @ Dec 23 2009, 20:50)
I wonder what the Petronas-Mercedes partnership will mean for Mclaren. Will they now also have to display Petronas - instead of Mobil 1 - by default because they use the Mercedes engine, or will it, to the contrary, mean that they are now free to keep Mobil1 as partner and sponsor?
My understanding is that the Mobil deal is with McLaren and will stay on.
undersquare
Dec 23 2009, 21:12
QUOTE (Wouter @ Dec 23 2009, 20:50)
I wonder what the Petronas-Mercedes partnership will mean for Mclaren. Will they now also have to display Petronas - instead of Mobil 1 - by default because they use the Mercedes engine, or will it, to the contrary, mean that they are now free to keep Mobil1 as partner and sponsor?
Looks like the separation deal prevented Merc taking any McLaren sponsors -
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp...53903&FS=F1
Wouter
Dec 23 2009, 21:25
Interesting, and good news for McLaren. Thanks.
The losers appear to be Sauber and Lotus, in this case; they are left without the Petronas dollars they hoped for, while both McLaren and Mercedes probably have their finances sorted.
Tarzan
Dec 27 2009, 13:26
Should the 2010 McLaren be painted in British Racing Green livery now the team has an all Britisch World Drivers Champions line-up? The only little blemish being the Mercedes engine.
Dino Scuderia
Dec 27 2009, 13:35
they should swap the merc for a cossie
Galko877
Dec 27 2009, 13:50
Yeah, I guess McLaren won't be silver/gray any more, that's Mercedes' color and Germany's traditional racing color. Since McLaren will be an all-Brit team in 2010, British Racing Green would be indeed good.
r4mses
Dec 27 2009, 13:52
QUOTE (Dino Scuderia @ Dec 27 2009, 14:35)
they should swap the merc for a cossie
ye, swapping known quality (many say the best engine of the grid) with a completly uncertain unit in terms of power, fuel consumption etc... kind of a gamble... can't remember when McLaren gambled the last time.
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 27 2009, 14:50)
Yeah, I guess McLaren won't be silver/gray any more, that's Mercedes' color and Germany's traditional racing color. Since McLaren will be an all-Brit team in 2010, British Racing Green would be indeed good.
Green (like the Jaguars few years ago) and Vodafone-red... my eyes start to hurt when I think about it ;/
Galko877
Dec 27 2009, 13:59
QUOTE (r4mses @ Dec 27 2009, 15:52)
ye, swapping known quality (many say the best engine of the grid) with a completly uncertain unit in terms of power, fuel consumption etc... kind of a gamble... can't remember when McLaren gambled the last time.
Green (like the Jaguars few years ago) and Vodafone-red... my eyes start to hurt when I think about it ;/
I forgot about Vodafone. They certainly wouldn't be happy with green. LOL. So maybe orange then? Like the shirt they wear when they win?
PAGATRON
Dec 27 2009, 15:11
They could go gold like the B&H Jordan.
F1 Truth
Dec 27 2009, 15:24
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 27 2009, 15:59)
I forgot about Vodafone. They certainly wouldn't be happy with green. LOL. So maybe orange then? Like the shirt they wear when they win?
QUOTE
The team will continue to be known as Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, its distinctive silver-with-red livery will remain unchanged
Taken from
here.
hunnylander
Dec 27 2009, 16:39
QUOTE (Galko877 @ Dec 27 2009, 16:50)
Yeah, I guess McLaren won't be silver/gray any more, that's Mercedes' color and Germany's traditional racing color. Since McLaren will be an all-Brit team in 2010, British Racing Green would be indeed good.
Silver is also a traditional colour of McLaren, dark [BRG] green also, as the black and the most famous papaya orange.
But for 2010 McLaren will continue to use the current livery, Daimler will leave the McLaren Group fully till (the end of) 2011. It's a long process.
Wouter
Dec 27 2009, 19:53
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Dec 27 2009, 17:39)
Silver is also a traditional colour of McLaren, dark [BRG] green also, as the black and the most famous papaya orange.
But for 2010 McLaren will continue to use the current livery, Daimler will leave the McLaren Group fully till (the end of) 2011. It's a long process.
Wasn't the very first Mclaren to race in F1 a black one?
I really like the liveries from 1997-2005 and the present style as well, so I'm happy they will keep it (likely for 2 more years). I'm not very fond of the orange as used by McLaren during 1968-1970 or occasionally in testing in recent years.
Anomnader
Dec 27 2009, 20:02
The only way Orange colour will make a return is if they get sponsored by Orange, liverys nowadays are mostly determined by the major sponsor.
ThomFi
Dec 27 2009, 20:51
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Dec 27 2009, 17:39)
Silver is also a traditional colour of McLaren, dark [BRG] green also, as the black and the most famous papaya orange.
But for 2010 McLaren will continue to use the current livery, Daimler will leave the McLaren Group fully till (the end of) 2011. It's a long process.
Silver is not a traditional colour of McLaren. The silver livery has been used since 1997 because it’s the traditional racing livery of Mercedes-Benz plus the color scheme of the West Lights packaging of their sponsor West cigarettes.
QUOTE (ThomFi @ Dec 27 2009, 23:51)
Silver is not a traditional colour of McLaren. The silver livery has been used since 1997 because it’s the traditional racing livery of Mercedes-Benz plus the color scheme of the West Lights packaging of their sponsor West cigarettes.
It's the other way around - West packs were styled after McLaren's livery. Traditional West colors were white and red similar to Marlboro
ThomFi
Dec 27 2009, 21:16
QUOTE (kos @ Dec 27 2009, 21:56)
It's the other way around - West packs were styled after McLaren's livery. Traditional West colors were white and red similar to Marlboro
Before 1997 the McLaren livery was red/white because of the sponsor Marlboro. No silver whatsoever.
And the color of the cigarettes packaging depends on the blend. The lights have a silver packet, the medium for example dark blue and ultras have a light blue packet.
hunnylander
Dec 27 2009, 21:20
QUOTE (ThomFi @ Dec 27 2009, 23:51)
Silver is not a traditional colour of McLaren. The silver livery has been used since 1997 because it’s the traditional racing livery of Mercedes-Benz plus the color scheme of the West Lights packaging of their sponsor West cigarettes.
ThomFi
Dec 27 2009, 21:39
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Dec 27 2009, 22:20)
If I understand this correctly, he wanted a car with a green top decking and silver lower sides divided by a band of yellow -and got- a white one white a green stripe.
I might be wrong, but I think there was no McLaren before 1997 in a silver livery.
raiseyourfistfor
Dec 28 2009, 07:41
Why would we go from Silver / Red to Green? We have the best livery on the grid ATM and green on F1 cars has always looked terrible
teejay
Dec 28 2009, 08:08
The black and red mockup some one did a while back looked sensational.
But why are we arguing - there will be no change next year.
CrashTestDummy
Dec 28 2009, 11:09
QUOTE (ThomFi @ Dec 28 2009, 02:39)
If I understand this correctly, he wanted a car with a green top decking and silver lower sides divided by a band of yellow -and got- a white one white a green stripe.
I might be wrong, but I think there was no McLaren before 1997 in a silver livery.
Not exactly, Bruce didn't used Turner's colour scheme because he was payed by filmmakers to paint his car white with green stripe.
But it doesn't matter now anyway, the only traditional McLaren colour is the one that is called 'McLaren orange', anything after that is just a sponsor's livery (which sometimes can be quite pretty actually). And I do hope to see orange Maccas again one day. Maybe after 2012?
Sisplatin
Dec 28 2009, 11:12
oh , thats sad....i was looking forward to see Orange and White Mclaren for next season
too bad
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