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femi
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 11:18) *
http://twitpic.com/1277ux

Looks a bit dangerous


I can't believe that was done without some kind of cooperation with the team.
ashnathan
of course it was. It was a photoshoot. Check the pic description.
werks prototype
QUOTE (femi @ Feb 9 2010, 11:10) *
I can't believe that was done without some kind of cooperation with the team.


It was just an early morning rolling/static shot of Hamilton from the fifth driver.
Clatter
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 10:18) *
http://twitpic.com/1277ux

Looks a bit dangerous


Yeah, must be really dangerous to crouch in front of a car that is standing still.
bond
QUOTE (Clatter @ Feb 9 2010, 12:51) *
Yeah, must be really dangerous to crouch in front of a car that is standing still.


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werks prototype
QUOTE (Clatter @ Feb 9 2010, 11:51) *
Yeah, must be really dangerous to crouch in front of a car that is standing still.


I'm talking about the guy on the left about to be attacked by the lens.
Clatter
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 11:56) *
I'm talking about the guy on the left about to be attacked by the lens.


OK, but I'm not gettng it. confused.gif
werks prototype
QUOTE (Clatter @ Feb 9 2010, 11:58) *
OK, but I'm not gettng it. confused.gif


Ok smile.gif
mclarensmps
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 06:56) *
I'm talking about the guy on the left about to be attacked by the lens.


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The Ragged Edge
QUOTE (craftverk @ Feb 8 2010, 19:14) *
his hairline?

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QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 10:18) *
http://twitpic.com/1277ux

Looks a bit dangerous



And there was me thinking they take these pictures by having a camera on a rail, hanging from the back of a car. rolleyes.gif
Anonymous
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 12:56) *
I'm talking about the guy on the left about to be attacked by the lens.


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Orin
QUOTE (feynman @ Feb 8 2010, 22:22) *
aaah, so that's what the new green button on the steering wheel does, go-go-gadget wheelbase:



That could be useful in neck-and-neck finishes. lol.gif
RoutariEnjinu
If they adjusted the brake bias all the way, then all the way back again, they could use that stretching ability when they run out of fuel to move like a caterpilla smile.gif
werks prototype
QUOTE (RoutariEnjinu @ Feb 9 2010, 16:58) *
If they adjusted the brake bias all the way, then all the way back again, they could use that stretching ability when they run out of fuel to move like a caterpilla smile.gif



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yep brake bias would also be my first concern when dealing with a concept as abstract as the MP4-25 and its inherent abilitly to operate as a caterpillar, if required up.gif
Enkei
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Feb 9 2010, 16:48) *
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And there was me thinking they take these pictures by having a camera on a rail, hanging from the back of a car. rolleyes.gif


You'd be surprised what a bit of Photoshop can do smile.gif

Does anyone have some cool high resolution images of the 25?
The image with two of them in one picture was cool, but very low in quality...
werks prototype
QUOTE (Enkei @ Feb 9 2010, 17:28) *
You'd be surprised what a bit of Photoshop can do smile.gif

Does anyone have some cool high resolution images of the 25?
The image with two of them in one picture was cool, but very low in quality...


Which one? In the paddock or on track?
werks prototype
QUOTE (Enkei @ Feb 9 2010, 17:28) *
You'd be surprised what a bit of Photoshop can do smile.gif

Does anyone have some cool high resolution images of the 25?
The image with two of them in one picture was cool, but very low in quality...



On track at 1600x1200 http://twitpic.com/122y77/full
MinT
That lloks like a painting or a still from a video game
hunnylander
QUOTE (Enkei @ Feb 9 2010, 19:28) *
You'd be surprised what a bit of Photoshop can do smile.gif

Does anyone have some cool high resolution images of the 25?
The image with two of them in one picture was cool, but very low in quality...

Her Majesty The SilverPredator™ of Celerity
werks prototype
On the winter testing thread a poster has mentioned the possibility of the Mclaren having experienced serious problems cooling the engine at Valencia, quoted from Sportbild. I wonder if this explains all the openings we saw spring up over the left and right side pods? Still if you are going to find that out, now is the time to do it.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...80&start=80
bogi
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 18:58) *
On the winter testing thread a poster has mentioned the possibility of the Mclaren having experienced serious problems cooling the engine at Valencia, quoted from Sportbild. I wonder if this explains all the openings we saw spring up over the left and right side pods? Still if you are going to find that out, now is the time to do it.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...80&start=80



I think that's a BS, you cant make a hole in the middle of the test. Cooling holes are planned much earlier.
werks prototype
QUOTE (bogi @ Feb 9 2010, 18:22) *
I think that's a BS, you cant make a hole in the middle of the test. Cooling holes are planned much earlier.


Yep, I hope it is BS, but they could certainly have anticipated it, hence the optional slots, the same sort of panels have also appeared on the Merc powered FI side pods.
undersquare
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 17:58) *
On the winter testing thread a poster has mentioned the possibility of the Mclaren having experienced serious problems cooling the engine at Valencia, quoted from Sportbild. I wonder if this explains all the openings we saw spring up over the left and right side pods? Still if you are going to find that out, now is the time to do it.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...80&start=80


Bonjon1979 has pretty much debunked the extra openings aspect, for cooling. They're before the radiators rather than after. I'd been guessing those are to flow slower air along the top of the sidepods to keep the main airflow attached, as it slopes down quite steeply. Just a guess though. The sidepod apertures certainly looked pretty small, maybe we'll see bigger ones tomorrow.
OwenC93
Was just to check how the effect the engine temperature, pretty pointless having them if your not sure how they affect you.

They were removable covers so it's a feature, I'm sure they used KERS before the season started.
Enkei
QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 9 2010, 18:39) *
On track at 1600x1200 http://twitpic.com/122y77/full


I found that one very cool, but it's all blurry and pixel-stretched.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Feb 9 2010, 18:45) *


Cheers up.gif
Owen
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Feb 9 2010, 17:45) *

That really is the best pic so far. up.gif Cheers hunnylander.
werks prototype
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Feb 9 2010, 17:45) *


It's a monster! Where did you find that beast? up.gif
Duck of Death


Aero issues?
hunnylander
QUOTE (Duck of Death @ Feb 10 2010, 10:48) *
Aero issues?

Probably not. Measuring airflow.
femi
QUOTE (Duck of Death @ Feb 10 2010, 09:48) *


Aero issues?


I don't think so, at least I hope not.
There will be no more testing this year beyond February. I would expect all teams to collect as much data as possible at every opportunity - especially as this weeks test may turn out to be a wash out - during this period to further assist in their development efforts for the rest of the year.
Clatter
QUOTE (Duck of Death @ Feb 10 2010, 08:48) *


Aero issues?


Measuring tyre wear.
femi
QUOTE (Clatter @ Feb 10 2010, 09:58) *
Measuring tyre wear.


If so, shouldn't those devices be on the other side of the car as well?
Pingu Pi
QUOTE (femi @ Feb 10 2010, 09:33) *
If so, shouldn't those devices be on the other side of the car as well?


theres a source somewhere in the testing thread saying they are sensors for tyre wear. not sure as to why only 1 side
undersquare
QUOTE (Pingu Pi @ Feb 10 2010, 09:35) *
theres a source somewhere in the testing thread saying they are sensors for tyre wear. not sure as to why only 1 side


I can't see why it would go so far out beyond the tyre either, if that's what it was measuring. How would it measure tyre wear anyway? If it was scanning temperatures it wouldn't need that huge boom, it would be some tiny infra-red sensors. If it was depth or something it would need to be more rigidly mounted.

Looks more like airflow in some form, the width being for the bow wave, and the big nozzles for air pressure.

The front tyre profile is rounder this year, so its exact bow-wave would be an issue.
femi
QUOTE (Pingu Pi @ Feb 10 2010, 10:35) *
theres a source somewhere in the testing thread saying they are sensors for tyre wear. not sure as to why only 1 side



ScarbsF1 McLaren: with the new front wing and no wheel fairings they may be validating wind tunnel data.
p432rpp
http://twitpic.com/12d6ba

Sensor/weedkiller sprayer from the front.
Pingu Pi
QUOTE (femi @ Feb 10 2010, 09:44) *
ScarbsF1 McLaren: with the new front wing and no wheel fairings they may be validating wind tunnel data.


well go with that then, can trust scarbs to be clued in.

just sighting what some website said in the testing thread smile.gif
femi
QUOTE (Pingu Pi @ Feb 10 2010, 10:45) *
well go with that then, can trust scarbs to be clued in.

just sighting what some website said in the testing thread smile.gif


Scarbs isn't sure either, he wrote "maybe" but I think the post by undersquare combined with Scarb's opinion makes more sense.
peroa
It's over:

FlowViz
Birdcage
FIndia pace

Doom is upon us.
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femi
QUOTE (peroa @ Feb 10 2010, 10:49) *
It's over:

FlowViz
Birdcage
FIndia pace

Doom is upon us.
smoking.gif


LOL, cool it man.
The team were "extremely satisfied" with the car's behaviour at the end of the last test. Mclaren aren't the team that would use superlatives lightly.
This car is going to be a winner IMHO and I think the team have learned a lot from last year about how to develop a car and how best to go about doing it. Remember, I don't think any team would have been able to accomplish what they achieved. Even Ferrari gave up!.

The team that develop the fastest will win it this year and the basic requirement for that success lies in having reliable and verified data. I truly believe that other top teams will follow Mclaren lead by coping their approach.

I truly believe that Mclaren would have probably won it last year if they had started the season with a half decent car.
meddo
1,25 with that monstruous frankenlooking device. That aint slow at all
wingwalker
At least they ain't using 2008 wing..
femi
NobleF1: McLaren says the device on its car today was simply to measure air flow structures, so they can be matched with CFD and wind tunnel data
dabrasco
QUOTE
McLaren explains the sensor: "We feel it's necessary to put as much emphasis as we possibly can on accurately measuring the flow structures we encounter at the track so that we can match them to the flow structures we are able to simulate in CFD hence, the proliferation of pitots, sensors, flow-vis tests."


as usual, on their super detailed sh*t
femi
QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 10 2010, 11:08) *
1,25 with that monstruous frankenlooking device. That aint slow at all


I really don't expect the car to be very heavy at the moment but the 1:25 is not bad considering the track condition and the other cars' relative lap times.
meddo
We¨re doomed biggrin.gif
Logic thing to do would be to fill her up to the brim, if you want to measure tyre degradation. I just don¨t like to see birdcages on McLaren
femi
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Feb 10 2010, 11:10) *
as usual, on their super detailed sh*t


LOL, I think they just want to kill the speculations. I do think the details may not be necessary as the reasons given are pretty much obvious.
bonjon1979
Guys. This is all good news. They're the most scientific of the teams when it comes to measuring the airflow around the car ie with all the gadgets etc. With that thing they can measure the air flow in multiple areas then feed that information into their computer systems to obtain more accurate results from CFD and wind tunnel. Now that there is no in season testing the simulated data is much more important - I think they're stealing a march on the other teams with regards to measuring the air flow over their car so precisely. If the testing ban remains then I expect other teams to catch on to the idea and start doing it themselves.

EDIT:

Mclaren guy says the same thing:

A McLaren spokesman tells AUTOSPORT that the curious sidepod structure seen on Button's car this morning is part of the team's programme for measuring aerodynamic flow structures while on-track: "Given the limited amount of testing that teams have been permitted over the past two seasons, as a team we feel it's necessary to put as much emphasis as we possibly can on accurately measuring the flow structures we encounter at the track so that we can match them to the flow structures we are able to simulate in CFD and the windtunnel back at the factory."
femi
@ Peroa, you may need this smile.gif

QUOTE
The team underlines that there is no need for "alarm bells", and that this is just "normal engineering work".
peroa
QUOTE (wingwalker @ Feb 10 2010, 11:09) *
At least they ain't using 2008 wing..


Testing hasn't finished, yet ...
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