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Awesome, thanks ;)
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Awesome, thanks ;)
QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Nov 13 2009, 21:51)
"Speaking in Abu Dhabi earlier this month, Whitmarsh said simulations were already showing the MP4-25 to be ahead of the 2009 car's performance leaving him optimistic for the start of next season."
"We are working very hard [on the 2010 car]," he said.
"I can tell you that probably five or six weeks ago the inherent performance of next year's car was already ahead of this year's car. Week by week that's improving as you'd expect it to and for a good many weeks this year's car hasn't been in the wind tunnel, hasn't been in the supercomputers, hasn't been in the development process we've been concentrating [on the 2010 car] and that's a balance."
"Of course next year we have got some [rule] changes the prohibition of rotating hub caps and the prohibition of refuelling, and smaller front tyres but the overall aerodynamic regulations are not fundamentally different so development this year is more likely to be applicable next year."
"So it's a different balance and we made a judgement last year which was following 2007 we desperately needed to win in 2008, we did, and this year we really need to win next year."
"We have certainly put much, much more effort into next year's car earlier than we have done for many years and it's certainly the intention of the team that we arrive in Bahrain next year competitive. That's how you win championships."”
Source:http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47416
"We are working very hard [on the 2010 car]," he said.
"I can tell you that probably five or six weeks ago the inherent performance of next year's car was already ahead of this year's car. Week by week that's improving as you'd expect it to and for a good many weeks this year's car hasn't been in the wind tunnel, hasn't been in the supercomputers, hasn't been in the development process we've been concentrating [on the 2010 car] and that's a balance."
"Of course next year we have got some [rule] changes the prohibition of rotating hub caps and the prohibition of refuelling, and smaller front tyres but the overall aerodynamic regulations are not fundamentally different so development this year is more likely to be applicable next year."
"So it's a different balance and we made a judgement last year which was following 2007 we desperately needed to win in 2008, we did, and this year we really need to win next year."
"We have certainly put much, much more effort into next year's car earlier than we have done for many years and it's certainly the intention of the team that we arrive in Bahrain next year competitive. That's how you win championships."”
Source:http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=47416
I hope it's true this time, last year Dennis was also talking about this year's car as the 8th marvel of the world.
QUOTE (shonguiz @ Nov 14 2009, 13:52)
I hope it's true this time, last year Dennis was also talking about this year's car as the 8th marvel of the world.
Yeah but last year no one knew who'd turn up with what. This year the Aero Rules are stagnant and the teams know where the others may stand relative to them as of Abu Dhabi.
hamashima(bridgestone) talking about next year
race cars are about a hundred more pounds heavier, so the tires have to be correspondingly stronger. Must be taken into account, that may weigh downforce cars to the road surface up to 2000 kg of force. One hundred extra pounds is not for us, a lot of other tires in the composition or structure, "said Hamashima.
. Hamashima believes refueling ban on the visible effects of more race teams' strategies.
- Competitors, fueling the ban is certainly a new challenge. I believe in race to develop strategies for the period, when all are looking for the most effective solutions. Drivers must also use their skills to save the tires, especially the race start, when the car is heavier and the coolest shoes, "said Hamashima.
race cars are about a hundred more pounds heavier, so the tires have to be correspondingly stronger. Must be taken into account, that may weigh downforce cars to the road surface up to 2000 kg of force. One hundred extra pounds is not for us, a lot of other tires in the composition or structure, "said Hamashima.
. Hamashima believes refueling ban on the visible effects of more race teams' strategies.
- Competitors, fueling the ban is certainly a new challenge. I believe in race to develop strategies for the period, when all are looking for the most effective solutions. Drivers must also use their skills to save the tires, especially the race start, when the car is heavier and the coolest shoes, "said Hamashima.
Are tire warmers banned next year?
QUOTE (MaxFan1 @ Nov 14 2009, 16:48)
Are tire warmers banned next year?
No.
Ferrari next year will be revolution.
Withmarsh and Newey said next year an evolution of car this year.
Who is in correct?
Regards
Withmarsh and Newey said next year an evolution of car this year.
Who is in correct?
Regards
The changes are rather big but not as big as the 2009 ones.
QUOTE (Kimiraikkonen @ Nov 14 2009, 18:44)
Ferrari next year will be revolution.
Withmarsh and Newey said next year an evolution of car this year.
Who is in correct?
Regards
Withmarsh and Newey said next year an evolution of car this year.
Who is in correct?
Regards
Both.
Ferrari and McLaren built a shit car so they need a revolution.
Red Bull and Brawn built decent cars so they're going to go down the evolution route (for the most part).
Edit: Where did Whitmarsh mention "evolution"? I thought that they were developing a whole new concept.
Mclaren has a decent car for 2010???? I don´t think so. This year mp 4-24 without advantaje KERS (0,4 seg), was a poor car ( example silverstone).
Well... i trust in macca boys...!!
Regards
Well... i trust in macca boys...!!
Regards
QUOTE (Kimiraikkonen @ Nov 14 2009, 20:21)
Mclaren has a decent car for 2010???? I don´t think so. This year mp 4-24 without advantaje KERS (0,4 seg), was a poor car ( example silverstone).
Well... i trust in macca boys...!!
Regards
Well... i trust in macca boys...!!
Regards
Macca will be fine.
QUOTE (Kimiraikkonen @ Nov 14 2009, 20:21)
Mclaren has a decent car for 2010???? I don´t think so. This year mp 4-24 without advantaje KERS (0,4 seg), was a poor car ( example silverstone).
Well... i trust in macca boys...!!
Regards
Well... i trust in macca boys...!!
Regards
Are you in some way suggesting it was a good car before Silverstone with KERS? They turned the car around, but that was inspite of KERS not because of it.
QUOTE (Clatter @ Nov 14 2009, 21:36)
Are you in some way suggesting it was a good car before Silverstone with KERS? They turned the car around, but that was inspite of KERS not because of it.
Noooo!!!! First part of season was for forget it.
I wish macca be fine!!
Regards
QUOTE (Kimiraikkonen @ Nov 14 2009, 21:45)
Noooo!!!! First part of season was for forget it.
I wish macca be fine!!
Regards
I wish macca be fine!!
Regards
At Silverstone the car was just bad, inconsistent and slow. It only worked at Monaco and Bahrain, where there were no high-speed corners whatsoever. Lewis described that the downforce "stalled" and didn't increase in the high-speed corners in the car's initial disguise, therefore making it undriveable in commitment-requiring on the edge-corners. It wasn't the best car in fast corners later in the year either (watch Spa for example), but it had the best KERS system, as well as a highly motivated Lewis who dragged the car to levels it didn't deserve to be in. There's no doubt that McLaren found more time than anyone else this season, but it was level with Ferrari on pace when Ferrari shifted off development. I expect both those teams to come up with excellent concepts for 2010, and for the championship to stand between a McLaren and a Ferrari driver next year.
QUOTE (Kimiraikkonen @ Nov 14 2009, 14:44)
Ferrari next year will be revolution.
Withmarsh and Newey said next year an evolution of car this year.
Who is in correct?
Regards
Withmarsh and Newey said next year an evolution of car this year.
Who is in correct?
Regards
We won't know who is right until the cars are on the track in Bahrain next year
Soooo...
Any news on Martin Brundle's recent comments about the Merc / Mac partnership??
Apparently, Merc are to announce they have SOLD the share in McLaren?
J
Any news on Martin Brundle's recent comments about the Merc / Mac partnership??
Apparently, Merc are to announce they have SOLD the share in McLaren?
J
QUOTE (Jay @ Nov 14 2009, 22:58)
Soooo...
Any news on Martin Brundle's recent comments about the Merc / Mac partnership??
Apparently, Merc are to announce they have SOLD the share in McLaren?
J
Any news on Martin Brundle's recent comments about the Merc / Mac partnership??
Apparently, Merc are to announce they have SOLD the share in McLaren?
J
Just read that and I doubt it, if it was 100% confirmed I would have been told to execute on the plans we've put together over the past 3 months, it's imminent yes but until i'm told by McLaren then i'll take Martins' sentence with a pinch of salt; I will be forwarding his piece to them first thing tomorrow (highlighting that statement) and asking for confirmation.
What exactly is your field of expertise?
His profile says IT Consultant. Maybe he's working on a 'firewall' between Mercedes and McLaren 
Novation of IP (google it if you don't know what this entails) - if I say anymore i'm in breach of NDA.
We were brought in to prepare a "what if" strategy, if/when this is confirmed we will be instructed to execute; that e-mail/call hasn't come yet so i'm not convinced it's happened yet.
edit - i'll save you the trouble of googling - The effect of a Deed of Novation (IP) is to discharge a previous contract or agreement (concerning Intellectual Property) and enter into a new agreement on the same terms but with one or more of the parties being different.
So, Bishy, you¨re working for a law firm as an outside consultant, glad we put that behind us 
So, what is the prefered colour for the -25, now?
So, is Mumtalakat buying 40 percent or what?
So, which factory are we buying, the one in Bavaria, or the one in Cologne
Ronzo, you are a genius, and you kept us in the dark all this time, my hat off to you, Sir Ron to be.
So, what is the prefered colour for the -25, now?
So, is Mumtalakat buying 40 percent or what?
So, which factory are we buying, the one in Bavaria, or the one in Cologne
Ronzo, you are a genius, and you kept us in the dark all this time, my hat off to you, Sir Ron to be.
QUOTE (Bishy @ Nov 15 2009, 09:30)
Novation of IP (google it if you don't know what this entails) - if I say anymore i'm in breach of NDA.
We were brought in to prepare a "what if" strategy, if/when this is confirmed we will be instructed to execute; that e-mail/call hasn't come yet so i'm not convinced it's happened yet.
edit - i'll save you the trouble of googling - The effect of a Deed of Novation (IP) is to discharge a previous contract or agreement (concerning Intellectual Property) and enter into a new agreement on the same terms but with one or more of the parties being different.
I dont doubt you either what you say you are or the latest information that you provide .... but if you or the firm you work for are party to an NDA you should be more careful than to be posting on here about matters that are not in the public domain that relate to the subject matter of the agreement.
....I know that's an obvious point by you need to bear it in mind.
QUOTE (jjcale @ Nov 15 2009, 13:36)
I dont doubt you either what you say you are or the latest information that you provide .... but if you or the firm you work for are party to an NDA you should be more careful than to be posting on here about matters that are not in the public domain that relate to the subject matter of the agreement.
....I know that's an obvious point by you need to bear it in mind.
....I know that's an obvious point by you need to bear it in mind.
You don't know what the NDA says, so it's not really for you to be dishing out advice on it IMO. Not as if these are huge revelations anyway, just a few known dots being joined and some false joins separated.
@ Bishy - keep going mate
New video in the widget: Bonding with the car
QUOTE (undersquare @ Nov 15 2009, 13:46)
You don't know what the NDA says, so it's not really for you to be dishing out advice on it IMO. Not as if these are huge revelations anyway, just a few known dots being joined and some false joins separated.
@ Bishy - keep going mate
@ Bishy - keep going mate
...and that's exactly it, i'm very careful about what I stick up on here as 1 breach of the NDA (posted an on internet site of all places!) and not only would our contract be torn up with McLaren but i'd be fired on the spot!
What I have posted in this thread since I signed up here is generally available in the public domain via good research, people like Andy are the real "insiders" here; I never claimed I was one.
I will find out the real truth tomorrow (as if this really has gone down then we're in for a nice pay-cheque
) and post what I can share with you guys...
QUOTE (santori @ Nov 15 2009, 15:00)
Reading between the lines, it is a no go - I don't think Mclaren are enthutiastic about the idea. I think this was aimed for German consumption.
QUOTE (HarryReams @ Nov 14 2009, 19:53)
Both.
Ferrari and McLaren built a shit car so they need a revolution.
Red Bull and Brawn built decent cars so they're going to go down the evolution route (for the most part).
Edit: Where did Whitmarsh mention "evolution"? I thought that they were developing a whole new concept.
Ferrari and McLaren built a shit car so they need a revolution.
Red Bull and Brawn built decent cars so they're going to go down the evolution route (for the most part).
Edit: Where did Whitmarsh mention "evolution"? I thought that they were developing a whole new concept.
At Abu Dhabi Mclaren were 2nd best car in the field, while Ferrari was 6th, Mclaren do not need revolution, besides, it has already been confirmed that MP4-25 will be evolution of MP4-24, thats why Mclaren didnt ditch the progress of MP4-24 mid season, unlike Ferrari
It's possible McLaren & Mercedes-Benz are milking a media cow together with the representatives of the media. They get a lot of attention for news about drivers so why not encourage it a little 
It's a bit like Britney telling paparazzis outside her house when she gets out so they can be ready and get good photos
It's a bit like Britney telling paparazzis outside her house when she gets out so they can be ready and get good photos
if Mclaren and Merc are splitting then I don't think Hague would be having much to say about the drivers
QUOTE (WorldChampion @ Nov 15 2009, 17:23)
At Abu Dhabi Mclaren were 2nd best car in the field, while Ferrari was 6th, Mclaren do not need revolution, besides, it has already been confirmed that MP4-25 will be evolution of MP4-24, thats why Mclaren didnt ditch the progress of MP4-24 mid season, unlike Ferrari
The best, hami would have crushed the field if his mcl would have been sound.
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Nov 15 2009, 17:47)
if Mclaren and Merc are splitting then I don't think Hague would be having much to say about the drivers
Nor would he be sitting in their garage while Brawn driver is winning title, or was it in Abu Dhabi
anyway he wouldnt be siting in mlaren garage, he would be sitting in Brawn garage. over.
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Nov 15 2009, 17:58)
The best, hami would have crushed the field if his mcl would have been sound.
Ok than 1st, but it just proves my point even fuuuuurther
Mercedes to have press conference later today
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/splitte...t_09111601.html
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/splitte...t_09111601.html
QUOTE (f1rules @ Nov 16 2009, 10:41)
Mercedes to have press conference later today
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/splitte...t_09111601.html
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/splitte...t_09111601.html
We'll need a new livery, now I'm sure.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Nov 16 2009, 10:07)
We'll need a new livery, now I'm sure.
Vodafone red and Kiwi orange, should be great.
Red front and Rear Wing blades and endplates, boards etc in black...
next season will be interesting.... I think the motivation at Mclaren to beat the new Merc team will just be as strong as the age-old motivation to beat Ferrari
QUOTE (One @ Nov 16 2009, 11:19)
Vodafone red and Kiwi orange, should be great.
Red front and Rear Wing blades and endplates, boards etc in black...
Red front and Rear Wing blades and endplates, boards etc in black...
I think orange can't be on the car, because of Vodafone's interests. Orange is their rival company, also the colours don't match well, so papaya orange can't be the main base colour, at best only as a minority colour separated by e.g. black.
I see a big chance for a black and Vodafone-red car, but I'd like to see some traditional orange on it, as a decoration. And McLaren written on the engine cover. Mercedes-Benz shouldn't be written in bigger size than RBR write Renault on their car.
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Nov 16 2009, 10:30)
next season will be interesting.... I think the motivation at Mclaren to beat the new Merc team will just be as strong as the age-old motivation to beat Ferrari
Great.
Black, Red and Kiwi-Orange.
Orange of mobile operator company has more aggressive saturation and that will NEVER be on the Mac next year, I also think.
I think these developments will only motivate Mclaren guys more to build a beast of a car to immediately make Mercedes regret their decisions.
you'd better hope Merc. dont start putting sand in them engines... I see a great rivalry forming
you'd better hope Merc. dont start putting sand in them engines... I see a great rivalry forming
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Nov 16 2009, 11:59)
you'd better hope Merc. dont start putting sand in them engines... I see a great rivalry forming
McLaren should start trying to persuade Audi to enter F1, so we can have a re-run of the legendary Silver Arrows battles.
QUOTE
With Mercedes switching its main focus to Brawn GP, it has also been announced that the McLaren Group will purchase the 40 per cent shareholding that Daimler AG currently has in the team. This will take place in a phased process to be completed before 2011.
Free. Finally.
Anyone know if there will be a change of livery? I am sick of seeing the same thing every year.
QUOTE (MaxFan1 @ Nov 16 2009, 13:21)
Anyone know if there will be a change of livery? I am sick of seeing the same thing every year.
"The team will continue to be known as Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, its distinctive silver-with-red livery will remain unchanged, and Mercedes-Benz will continue as both an engine supplier and a partner."
http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/mclaren-...php?article=380
QUOTE (bond @ Nov 16 2009, 12:24)
"The team will continue to be known as Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, its distinctive silver-with-red livery will remain unchanged, and Mercedes-Benz will continue as both an engine supplier and a partner."
Balls, I was hoping for orange.
QUOTE (bond @ Nov 16 2009, 12:24)
"The team will continue to be known as Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, its distinctive silver-with-red livery will remain unchanged, and Mercedes-Benz will continue as both an engine supplier and a partner."
http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/mclaren-...php?article=380
http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/mclaren-...php?article=380
Damn.
QUOTE (H0R @ Nov 16 2009, 12:09)
Free. Finally.
Hopefully good news, how financially reliant on Mercedes have McLaren been? Will they struggle financially?
With Vodafone being the title sponsor Orange probaly was never an option.
QUOTE (H0R @ Nov 16 2009, 12:27)
With Vodafone being the title sponsor Orange probaly was never an option.
Probably true. Still, I shall pretend that McLaren are Auto Union and watch as the Silver Arrows fight it out.
QUOTE (H0R @ Nov 16 2009, 12:27)
With Vodafone being the title sponsor Orange probaly was never an option.
maybe brawn/mercedes can take vodafone too, and mclaren can get orange... in years to come perhaps
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