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Seanspeed

Feb 2 2010, 14:51

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 09:46)

Makes it easy for competitors to copy at little cost.

Not really. Seems quite a comprehensive package that isn't going to be copied that easily.

Besides, I'm sure all the teams have equally good pictures and drawings of each other's cars at this point.

dabrasco

Feb 2 2010, 14:52

QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Feb 2 2010, 15:48)

Huh? I dont get your point. How is this getting 'defensive' when we're talking about a comparison between Rosberg and Lewis? I'm a Ferrari fan, not a Rosberg/Mercedes fan.

I'm not trying to say the Mclaren isn't fast or anything. Just that there are variables other than fuel load that can create sigificant differences in lap times. So its not inaccurate to say the two were on a similar testing schedule, even *if* Rosberg is running more weight.

Make more sense? Perhaps you can calm down and stop being so quick to point fingers now just cuz I'm a Ferrari fan. Its a little annoying at this point.

whatever man, cant be bothered with ur negative antagonistic vibes... your 'insight' is common knowledge

teejay

Feb 2 2010, 14:54

Even in his planet-f1 days, Sean likes being right.

Nothing wrong with, he is as pasionate about the sport as we all our.

Lets keep it civil.

werks prototype

Feb 2 2010, 14:54

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 14:46)

Makes it easy for competitors to copy at little cost.

Piola would have it in the next print issue of Autosport anyway, unless Scarbs is his man in Valencia.

Seanspeed

Feb 2 2010, 14:55

QUOTE (dabrasco @ Feb 2 2010, 09:52)

whatever man, cant be bothered with ur negative vibes... your 'insight' is common knowledge

What on earth did I say 'negative' there?

Whats common knowledge to you may not be common knowledge to everyone else. And this common knowledge tends to get overlooked quite a bit when people are talking about testing. Sorry that I thought it was worth a mention.

Holy crap.

dabrasco

Feb 2 2010, 14:58

QUOTE

....I think some of you need to get used to the idea of the VERY LARGE windows of fuel levels possible.

that is antagonistic, ofcourse everyone here knows there is a very large window of fuel level jeez.... moving on....

Seanspeed

Feb 2 2010, 14:58

QUOTE (teejay @ Feb 2 2010, 09:54)

Even in his planet-f1 days, Sean likes being right.

I'm not even 'trying to be right' about anything here.

Just pointing something out I thought worth pointing out. I wasn't trying to say anything bad about the Mclaren whatsoever or whatever I'm being accused of.

Whatever. I guess if you're not a Mclaren fan, you're not allowed to be in here without being accused of crap, so I'll leave you guys to yourselves now.

raiseyourfistfor

Feb 2 2010, 14:58

It's looking pretty good, if Lewis is doing 20-30 laps stints with most of the times in the 13s and other drivers are doing 14-15s on their longer runs

meddo

Feb 2 2010, 14:59

In terms of top speed, the -25 is fastest in all sectors.

Seanspeed

Feb 2 2010, 14:59

QUOTE (dabrasco @ Feb 2 2010, 09:58)

that is antagonistic, ofcourse everyone here knows there is a very large window of fuel level jeez.... moving on....

I dont think that idea has sunk in with some people yet. I'm not trying to be condescending, just reminding people of it. Its a very big change from what we're used to.

Anyways, yea, what I said in the above post.

dabrasco

Feb 2 2010, 15:01

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 15:59)

In terms of top speed, the -25 is fastest in all sectors.

where did u get that info?

Duck of Death

Feb 2 2010, 15:01

In terms of speed of the McLaren MP4/25 is the fastest in all sectors at an average of 201.5 km/h
The Ferrari F10 is at an average of 196.5 km/h

femi

Feb 2 2010, 15:01

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 15:59)

In terms of top speed, the -25 is fastest in all sectors.

Where did we get that from please? and if true will confirm the statement RB made yesterday.

meddo

Feb 2 2010, 15:01

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 16:01)

Where did we get that from please? and if true will confirm the statement RB made yesterday.

Spanish site, last info from the track.

De Jokke

Feb 2 2010, 15:02

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 15:59)

In terms of top speed, the -25 is fastest in all sectors.

En termes de vitesse de pointe la McLaren MP4/25 est la plus rapide dans tous les secteurs. 201,5 km/h de moyenne pour McLaren et 196,5 km/h pour Ferrari.

Indeed

Duck of Death

Feb 2 2010, 15:02

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 15:01)

Where did we get that from please? and if true will confirm the statement RB made yesterday.

In terms of speed of the McLaren MP4/25 is the fastest in all sectors at an average of 201.5 km/h
The Ferrari F10 is at an average of 196.5 km/h

werks prototype

Feb 2 2010, 15:03

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 14:59)

In terms of top speed, the -25 is fastest in all sectors.

If that is true then it is sort of bearing out what Barrichello intimated yesterday with his "I saw a super-fast McLaren on the straight" quote, of course it also expands it a little. Good instincts that boy

Always liked him

edit: we are thinking the same femi.

femi

Feb 2 2010, 15:04

QUOTE (Duck of Death @ Feb 2 2010, 16:02)

In terms of speed of the McLaren MP4/25 is the fastest in all sectors at an average of 201.5 km/h
The Ferrari F10 is at an average of 196.5 km/h

Which means we are losing time at the slower sections which may be = less mechanical grip.

meddo

Feb 2 2010, 15:05

Rubens for third driver........

meddo

Feb 2 2010, 15:06

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 16:04)

Which means we are losing time at the slower sections which may be = less mechanical grip.

With slow and twisty Ricardo Tormo, and our long wheelbase, not something to be concerned about

dabrasco

Feb 2 2010, 15:07

that means our limosine is losing some time in the corners... quick question, which part does the fuel weights affect more: cornering or top speed?

femi

Feb 2 2010, 15:07

QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 2 2010, 16:03)

Always liked him

edit: we are thinking the same femi.

Maybe the car has some secret and invincible KERS somewhere that even Mercedes are not aware of

Owen

Feb 2 2010, 15:08

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 15:07)

Maybe the car has some secret and invincible KERS somewhere that even Mercedes are not aware of

Or maybe the dead zone has been activated.

BinaryDad

Feb 2 2010, 15:09

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 16:04)

Which means we are losing time at the slower sections which may be = less mechanical grip.

I'm wondering if McLaren have opted to get rid of or reduce the effect of the inverter (also known as a j-damper) this year, in an effort to help preserve tires? Mechanical grip has been one of Mclaren's ace cards in the last few years, so I'm surprised to them not doing to well in the slower sections.

Darth Sidious

Feb 2 2010, 15:09

QUOTE (dabrasco @ Feb 2 2010, 15:07)

that means our limosine is losing some time in the corners... quick question, which part does the fuel weights affect more: cornering or top speed?

Acceleration perhaps, and braking - slower into and out of corners?

bonjon1979

Feb 2 2010, 15:10

QUOTE (werks prototype @ Feb 2 2010, 15:03)

Always liked him

edit: we are thinking the same femi.

yep he reckoned 10kph difference in speed.

femi

Feb 2 2010, 15:10

QUOTE (dabrasco @ Feb 2 2010, 16:07)

that means our limosine is losing some time in the corners... quick question, which part does the fuel weights affect more: cornering or top speed?

Taking off a standing start and the need to brake earlier for corners and slower acceleration out of them.
To answer your question directly, conering. It will not affect the top speed but it will take longer to achieve it if the track is long enough; my 2 cents

uzi

Feb 2 2010, 15:11

McLaren fans very happy today..

Its heartening to see that problems like last years are not there.. Its early, stilll its looking good so far..

meddo

Feb 2 2010, 15:11

Guys, guys, great topspeed sometimes means low downforce conf., low downforce equals slower entry and exit into the corners. Last years flu here, I see

Seanspeed

Feb 2 2010, 15:13

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 10:11)

Guys, guys, great topspeed sometimes means low downforce conf., low downforce equals slower entry and exit into the corners. Last years flu here, I see

Key word highlighted^.

bonjon1979

Feb 2 2010, 15:14

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 15:11)

Guys, guys, great topspeed sometimes means low downforce conf., low downforce equals slower entry and exit into the corners. Last years flu here, I see

I have got actual flu so I'm allowed! Got to remember that this is quite a twisty track, like hungary/ singapore and we no longer have a go-kart of a car with a short wheelbase. We have a boat that probably has trouble with those tight corners.

femi

Feb 2 2010, 15:15

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 16:11)

Guys, guys, great topspeed sometimes means low downforce conf., low downforce equals slower entry and exit into the corners. Last years flu here, I see

Honestly, you have a point but the report mentioned at all sectors and that should be taken into consideration as well.

meddo

Feb 2 2010, 15:18

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 16:15)

Honestly, you have a point but the report mentioned at all sectors and that should be taken into consideration as well.

Or, we have very little drag, that enables the car to reach top speed very quickly, and LH was on full tank the whole day. Too many theories for the first two days.

Darth Sidious

Feb 2 2010, 15:18

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 15:11)

Guys, guys, great topspeed sometimes means low downforce conf., low downforce equals slower entry and exit into the corners. Last years flu here, I see

Last year's flu lasted from the launch of the car to the Nurburgring. Gonna take a while to shake that mutha off!

Ruud de la Rosa

Feb 2 2010, 15:18

QUOTE (dabrasco @ Feb 2 2010, 16:07)

that means our limosine is losing some time in the corners... quick question, which part does the fuel weights affect more: cornering or top speed?

define topspeed.

pup

Feb 2 2010, 15:32

Are these sector speeds trap speeds or averages? Makes a difference. They seem a tad slow for trap speeds.

MikeTekRacing

Feb 2 2010, 15:35

do you know where the sectors end? it doesn't have to be at the end of very long straight lines..

teejay

Feb 2 2010, 15:42

My understanding is this

that across the three sectors, if you added the quickest sector each car has done, the mclaren would be fastest, with an average speed across the 3 of 201mph

They arnt saying they are fastest down the straights in each sector.

De Jokke

Feb 2 2010, 15:49

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 16:06)

With slow and twisty Ricardo Tormo, and our long wheelbase, not something to be concerned about

Could become a problem at monaco.

dabrasco

Feb 2 2010, 15:49

QUOTE (teejay @ Feb 2 2010, 16:42)

yes you are right except the m...it is in km

posted this in the testing thread

QUOTE

En termes de vitesse de pointe la McLaren MP4/25 est la plus rapide dans tous les secteurs. 201,5 km/h de moyenne pour McLaren et 196,5 km/h pour Ferrari.

translates in google to

In terms of speed of the McLaren MP4/25 is the fastest in all sectors. 201.5 km / h average of McLaren and 196.5 km / h for Ferrari.

can any french speaking folk confirm that?

original meaning was lost in translation....the grip issue we discussed is null

Lewis had a 6 lap stint or so with some weird numbers 1.20 to 1.29....too weird to be cos of fuel

so im guessing Mclaren just doing their weird testing sht

PassWind

Feb 2 2010, 15:50

QUOTE (femi @ Feb 2 2010, 14:46)

Makes it easy for competitors to copy at little cost.

That picture makes it easier to copy at less cost,

That was not a schematic and its not representative of another teams space limitations or requirements, or even thermal dissipation requirements or thermal efficiency of their engine. Put your mind at ease it will not help another team one little bit.

femi

Feb 2 2010, 15:55

QUOTE (dabrasco @ Feb 2 2010, 16:49)

yes you are right except the m...it is in km

posted this in the testing thread

original meaning was lost in translation....the grip issue we discussed is null

Lewis had a 6 lap stint or so with some weird numbers 1.20 to 1.29....too weird to be cos of fuel

so im guessing Mclaren just doing their weird testing sht

They spent quite a long time in the garage and car parts were changed. Then LH came out and did a 1:20 followed by a 1:29.
This suggests to me that this is not necessarily due to heavy fuel. I suspect they are doing selective component/s loading. This happens in F1 a lot, they go in low speed while loading certain components in the car.

femi

Feb 2 2010, 15:57

QUOTE (PassWind @ Feb 2 2010, 16:50)

That picture makes it easier to copy at less cost,

You can laugh and explode in the process as long you are right; who cares?

LostProphet

Feb 2 2010, 15:57

QUOTE (PassWind @ Feb 2 2010, 15:50)

That picture makes it easier to copy at less cost,

Not to mention all we see there is the external parts - who knows what black magic is going on inside the car that we can't see at the floor level?

MeatPopsicle

Feb 2 2010, 15:58

"15:57 Just four minutes left on the clock.

15:55 And here comes the first red flag of the day as Kubica stops on the start/finish straight"

hopefully hamilton will have time to put in a low fuel run

potmotr

Feb 2 2010, 16:00

Anyone else notice that Lewis has switched helmet brands from Arai to Bell today?

Disgrace

Feb 2 2010, 16:01

Oo, they're all trying out Bells.

No alarm bells for McLaren this year it appears. If flow viz works, use it again this year.

De Jokke

Feb 2 2010, 16:02

QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 2 2010, 17:00)

Anyone else notice that Lewis has switched helmet brands from Arai to Bell today?

uhu, massa and kubica are also running other helmets today.

rodoal1515

Feb 2 2010, 16:06

QUOTE (potmotr @ Feb 2 2010, 16:00)

Anyone else notice that Lewis has switched helmet brands from Arai to Bell today?

I noticed it in an earlier post - seems to be a schuberth to me if you look at the shape of the visor.

kerum gp

Feb 2 2010, 16:07

QUOTE (meddo @ Feb 2 2010, 08:18)

O.K.
Ten quid says Lewis is doing 1,10 within first ten laps

fuel corrected he was probably there (or even lower)

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