QUOTE (gaston_foix @ Oct 9 2010, 12:34) 
I don't believe this until it is confirmed by autosport.com
x2 I agree, autosport don´t say anything, is a bad notice for Hammy.... once more...
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x2 I agree, autosport don´t say anything, is a bad notice for Hammy.... once more...
Apparently F1Fanatic have it from McLaren themselves that Lewis will get a penalty for changing he gearbox...
QUOTE (Coral @ Oct 9 2010, 12:35)
I don't agree. If McLaren gave Lewis a better car then he wouldn't have to push so hard. They don't deserve him!
Except the polesitter, all the drivers are probably pushing just as hard, you only have to see how many of them went offtrack.
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In P3 today, we noticed abnormal gearbox oil pressure on Lewis’s car, which we believed we had corrected ahead of this afternoon’s qualifying session.
This afternoon, as we fired up Lewis’s car several times in preparation for qualifying, we became aware that the symptoms were worse than we’d originally diagnosed, and a decision was later taken to change the gearbox ahead of tomorrow’s qualifying session and the grand prix.
As a result, Lewis will receive a five-place grid penalty for tomorrow’s race.
This afternoon, as we fired up Lewis’s car several times in preparation for qualifying, we became aware that the symptoms were worse than we’d originally diagnosed, and a decision was later taken to change the gearbox ahead of tomorrow’s qualifying session and the grand prix.
As a result, Lewis will receive a five-place grid penalty for tomorrow’s race.
f1fanatic.co.uk
QUOTE (Coral @ Oct 9 2010, 12:50)
Apparently F1Fanatic have it from McLaren themselves that Lewis will get a penalty for changing he gearbox...
Yeah, but is only there where I read it, still autosport.com don´t confirm it.
Will be a great race if Hammy starts the race on 7th to 10th position.
now confirmed on the bbc 
Today, during the FP3 McLaren detected some oil pressure problem in the gearbox, thus the need to change it. Nothing to do with yesterday's crash, as it's not the same gearbox.
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Is it being reported anywhere else, or just in f1fanatics? Could it be that they have wrongly assumed that Hamilton would receive a penalty since he needs a new gearbox?
Just noticed this thread. I assure you I'm not in the business of making things up. I have this directly from McLaren along with an explanation why they've changed the gearbox:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/09/five...y-for-hamilton/
QUOTE (FlashMaster @ Oct 9 2010, 11:53)
f1fanatic.co.uk
In P3 today, we noticed abnormal gearbox oil pressure on Lewis’s car, which we believed we had corrected ahead of this afternoon’s qualifying session.
This afternoon, as we fired up Lewis’s car several times in preparation for qualifying, we became aware that the symptoms were worse than we’d originally diagnosed, and a decision was later taken to change the gearbox ahead of tomorrow’s qualifying session and the grand prix.
As a result, Lewis will receive a five-place grid penalty for tomorrow’s race.
In P3 today, we noticed abnormal gearbox oil pressure on Lewis’s car, which we believed we had corrected ahead of this afternoon’s qualifying session.
This afternoon, as we fired up Lewis’s car several times in preparation for qualifying, we became aware that the symptoms were worse than we’d originally diagnosed, and a decision was later taken to change the gearbox ahead of tomorrow’s qualifying session and the grand prix.
As a result, Lewis will receive a five-place grid penalty for tomorrow’s race.
Maybe it isn't the same gearbox
QUOTE (lithium @ Oct 9 2010, 10:54)
Today, during the FP3 McLaren detected some oil pressure problem in the gearbox, thus the need to change it. Nothing to do with yesterday's crash, as it's not the same gearbox.
http://twitter.com/#!/F1alaUne
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could be something from the Webber clash then that wasnt detected...not good
QUOTE (F1Fanatic.co.uk @ Oct 9 2010, 11:54)
Just noticed this thread. I assure you I'm not in the business of making things up. I have this directly from McLaren along with an explanation why they've changed the gearbox:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/09/five...y-for-hamilton/
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/09/five...y-for-hamilton/
It is the same gearbox with which Lewis crashed and if yes why Macca run it in the Friday practice?
QUOTE (fed up @ Oct 9 2010, 12:54)
now confirmed on the bbc
Thanks mate, anything more can go worst for Hammy?
Really bad luck!!
geez, hes not havin much luck this season
heres hopin for a nicely wet race
heres hopin for a nicely wet race
Seems unrelated then to the prang in FP1. Looks like a dry race so he is well and trully stuffed for this weekend.
QUOTE (F1Fanatic.co.uk @ Oct 9 2010, 12:54)
Just noticed this thread. I assure you I'm not in the business of making things up. I have this directly from McLaren along with an explanation why they've changed the gearbox:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/09/five...y-for-hamilton/
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/10/09/five...y-for-hamilton/
And kudos to you for being the first reporting the penalty.
Now, reading your piece, where no mention was made to a newly developed problem in the brand new gearbox, I suppose I could be excused for thinking that you were referring to the change of gearbox due to Hamilton crashing on Friday. In fact, as it seems, they did not last change the gearbox in Spa, as you mentioned, but in Suzuka, in FP3.
And by the way, "wrongly assumed" does not mean "made up". I've never implied that you were in the business of making things up.
EDIT: Now, reading the news again, it could be that they were using an old gearbox. Which would be a serious mistake by McLaren, since they could have fitted a brand new one after the last DNF. I suppose they will explain it better later on.
QUOTE (Kimiraikkonen @ Oct 9 2010, 12:00)
Thanks mate, anything more can go worst for Hammy?
Really bad luck!!
Really bad luck!!
Yes, it's on BBC 5 Live now, so looks like it's official...five place grid drop for Lewis. Really, what does Lewis have to do to catch a break?
QUOTE (gaston_foix @ Oct 9 2010, 11:57)
It is the same gearbox with which Lewis crashed and if yes why Macca run it in the Friday practice?
It is most likely a brand new gearbox. That's a real bummer but better than retiring in the race.
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 9 2010, 12:04)
It is most likely a brand new gearbox. That's a real bummer but better than retiring in the race.
No he changed his gearbox at Spa so it's an old one
QUOTE (gaston_foix @ Oct 9 2010, 13:12)
No he changed his gearbox at Spa so it's an old one
He crashed out in Singapore, so he should have a brand new race gearbox from today without a penalty.
Guys, things seem the worst they have possibly seemed all year.
BUT, when hope seems to be going we can still pray and when the going gets tough the tough get going!
I kno things seem dreadful for lewis at the time being but lewis fans please keep as much hope as you can, he can still win this championship he has always been the underdog and knows how to come back from the worst situations.
If theres a will theres a way, and if theres any sign of a way available lewis will find it!
If our wills are strong enough, maybe we can find a way.
BUT, when hope seems to be going we can still pray and when the going gets tough the tough get going!
I kno things seem dreadful for lewis at the time being but lewis fans please keep as much hope as you can, he can still win this championship he has always been the underdog and knows how to come back from the worst situations.
If theres a will theres a way, and if theres any sign of a way available lewis will find it!
If our wills are strong enough, maybe we can find a way.
My pessimism is getting to an alltime low and I'm not even sure that I shall be watching the race tomorrow now.
Perhaps without me expecting a special result he can get one.
Perhaps without me expecting a special result he can get one.
QUOTE (moorsey @ Oct 9 2010, 12:32)
My pessimism is getting to an alltime low and I'm not even sure that I shall be watching the race tomorrow now.
Perhaps without me expecting a special result he can get one.
Perhaps without me expecting a special result he can get one.
Yes I know, it's really really depressing, isn't it?
Poor Lewis, he must feel so demoralised. I have not felt this dejected since Spa 2008. I feel like not bothering to watch qualy or the race, it's at 2am for me, but I know I will because despite everything I love F1.I'm just so fed up with McLaren and their duff cars.
QUOTE (Coral @ Oct 9 2010, 11:41)
Yes I know, it's really really depressing, isn't it? Poor Lewis, he must feel so demoralised. I have not felt this dejected since Spa 2008. I feel like not bothering to watch qualy or the race, it's at 2am for me, but I know I will because despite everything I love F1.
I'm just so fed up with McLaren and their duff cars.
Poor Lewis, he must feel so demoralised. I have not felt this dejected since Spa 2008. I feel like not bothering to watch qualy or the race, it's at 2am for me, but I know I will because despite everything I love F1.I'm just so fed up with McLaren and their duff cars.
Yesterday Lewis said, he was down on the floor, but the team lifted him up....
Nico Rosberg was interviewed today on RTL during the waiting for qualy
He said McLaren has no chance for the WDC, because their updates don't work the way they have expected it
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Oct 9 2010, 13:06)
Yesterday Lewis said, he was down on the floor, but the team lifted him up....
Nico Rosberg was interviewed today on RTL during the waiting for qualy
He said McLaren has no chance for the WDC, because their updates don't work the way they have expected it
Nico Rosberg was interviewed today on RTL during the waiting for qualy
He said McLaren has no chance for the WDC, because their updates don't work the way they have expected it
That is the real blow...
QUOTE (gaston_foix @ Oct 9 2010, 13:11)
That is the real blow...
What does Nico Rosberg know about what is going on the Mclaren garage? I could have said that too...
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Oct 9 2010, 13:06)
Yesterday Lewis said, he was down on the floor, but the team lifted him up....
Nico Rosberg was interviewed today on RTL during the waiting for qualy
He said McLaren has no chance for the WDC, because their updates don't work the way they have expected it
Nico Rosberg was interviewed today on RTL during the waiting for qualy
He said McLaren has no chance for the WDC, because their updates don't work the way they have expected it
And how would Nico know?
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Oct 9 2010, 12:31)
And how would Nico know?
It's just his opinion
but he knows more about it than us.
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Oct 9 2010, 14:31)
And how would Nico know?
Maybe he talks to other drivers, chit-chat....
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Oct 9 2010, 13:30)
What does Nico Rosberg know about what is going on the Mclaren garage? I could have said that too...
McLaren are still deciding whether or not to run their new rear wing tomorrow.
To be honest, watching FP2, it didn't produced something very spectacular...
QUOTE (gaston_foix @ Oct 9 2010, 14:43)
McLaren are still deciding whether or not to run their new rear wing tomorrow.
To be honest, watching FP2, it didn't produced something very spectacular...
To be honest, watching FP2, it didn't produced something very spectacular...
Button, cleverly, didn't want to produce anything spectacular. It wasn't needed for collecting data.
The decision may have something to do with the expected weather. The old wing may be more stable and known in wet circumstances. That wing won races in wet.
I think it's pretty sure it's going to rain for the GP so it's not 5 places that'll change much I think. However I am more pessimistic regarding our pace under rain: OK we won 3 of the 3 races affected by rain, but they were all low downforce tracks as far I can remember, tracks on which we are good even under dry conditions
So, maybe he can use hard rubber for his last Q attempt,start on hards, and work it up from there. Just dreaming, I know
QUOTE (meddo @ Oct 9 2010, 14:10)
So, maybe he can use hard rubber for his last Q attempt,start on hards, and work it up from there. Just dreaming, I know
It's probably going to be wet.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Oct 9 2010, 09:07)
Button, cleverly, didn't want to produce anything spectacular. It wasn't needed for collecting data.
The decision may have something to do with the expected weather. The old wing may be more stable and known in wet circumstances. That wing won races in wet.
The decision may have something to do with the expected weather. The old wing may be more stable and known in wet circumstances. That wing won races in wet.
Expected weather is still more likely dry looking at most forecasts.
As for the updates - lets face it - whenever Mclaren has talked about 'more to come' this season, it has usually meant that things aren't working quite as well as planned.
And its also worth talking about Mclaren's 'kitchen sink' approach. That may be great, but it could also have the effect of upgrades being hit and miss. If it was just as easy as 'kitchen sinking it', they would do it all year long and blow everybody away with their development pace. There's bound to be minor disappointments here and there with this approach.
QUOTE (Obi Offiah @ Oct 9 2010, 01:07)
Its not over until its over.
Here's hoping my next post is not, 'its over.'
Here's hoping my next post is not, 'its over.'
Its over.
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QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Oct 9 2010, 15:23)
Expected weather is still more likely dry looking at most forecasts.
As for the updates - lets face it - whenever Mclaren has talked about 'more to come' this season, it has usually meant that things aren't working quite as well as planned.
And its also worth talking about Mclaren's 'kitchen sink' approach. That may be great, but it could also have the effect of upgrades being hit and miss. If it was just as easy as 'kitchen sinking it', they would do it all year long and blow everybody away with their development pace. There's bound to be minor disappointments here and there with this approach.
As for the updates - lets face it - whenever Mclaren has talked about 'more to come' this season, it has usually meant that things aren't working quite as well as planned.
And its also worth talking about Mclaren's 'kitchen sink' approach. That may be great, but it could also have the effect of upgrades being hit and miss. If it was just as easy as 'kitchen sinking it', they would do it all year long and blow everybody away with their development pace. There's bound to be minor disappointments here and there with this approach.
It wasn't supposed to be a wonder wing. It could hardly worth more than a tenth or two.
Lewis was and might have been pretty good with it, but still it's untested for rain, and the older wing isn't bad, and proved to be good in the wet too.
McLaren can be off the pace even if they have improved with the updates.
I doubt the race will be decided by purely performance of the cars. It's rare when the cars are finishing the race in the power order with every single driver at his technical potential of the car.
I'm not that pessimistic than others seem to be. F1 is for entertaining us, even with its drama.
i feel sorry for lewis he has been the unluckiest man this season. I hope tomorrow qualifying will not be done so race order will be given with the race numbers. So what happens if it happens?
1-Jenson Button
2-Michael Schumacher
3-Nico Rosberg
4-Sebastian Vettel
5-Mark Webber
6-Felipe Massa
7-Lewis Hamilton??
8-Fernando Alonso
9-Rubens Barichello
10-Nico Hulkenberg
?
he has been the unluckiest man this season. I hope tomorrow qualifying will not be done so race order will be given with the race numbers. So what happens if it happens?1-Jenson Button
2-Michael Schumacher
3-Nico Rosberg
4-Sebastian Vettel
5-Mark Webber
6-Felipe Massa
7-Lewis Hamilton??
8-Fernando Alonso
9-Rubens Barichello
10-Nico Hulkenberg
?
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Oct 9 2010, 09:45)
It wasn't supposed to be a wonder wing. It could hardly worth more than a tenth or two.
Lewis was and might have been pretty good with it, but still it's untested for rain, and the older wing isn't bad, and proved to be good in the wet too.
McLaren can be off the pace even if they have improved with the updates.
I doubt the race will be decided by purely performance of the cars. It's rare when the cars are finishing the race in the power order with every single driver at his technical potential of the car.
I'm not that pessimistic than others seem to be. F1 is for entertaining us, even with its drama.
Lewis was and might have been pretty good with it, but still it's untested for rain, and the older wing isn't bad, and proved to be good in the wet too.
McLaren can be off the pace even if they have improved with the updates.
I doubt the race will be decided by purely performance of the cars. It's rare when the cars are finishing the race in the power order with every single driver at his technical potential of the car.
I'm not that pessimistic than others seem to be. F1 is for entertaining us, even with its drama.
This should have been a track where Mclaren could put one over on Ferrari though, at the least, and that is looking much less likely now. I'm not blaming that on the developments, but its doesn't look like Mclaren have moved forward relative to the opposition with these updates.
Either way, it doesn't appear that the developments were as good as they were hoping they were gonna be and that was my main point. I'm not saying they're doomed, just that there's bound to be times where things dont work quite as planned when they go with a 'kitchen sink' development approach, and this looks to be another instance of that.
And you keep talking about the wet, but most forecasts I've seen are saying its more likely to be dry.
I'm thinking Lewis will be about 9th on the grid tomorrow, but I have sneaky feeling we are going to see an epic Lewis charge to the podium. The pressure is off now, he might as well come out all guns blazing.
GaryPaffett: "Had a really fun night. Lewis invited the whole McLaren team to go bowling. Top man!!! Great time had by all, team motivated as ever!!!"
QUOTE (Olly F1 @ Oct 9 2010, 15:10)
I'm thinking Lewis will be about 9th on the grid tomorrow, but I have sneaky feeling we are going to see an epic Lewis charge to the podium. The pressure is off now, he might as well come out all guns blazing.
That could also easily lead to race ending contact, as the need to 'go for it' is now greater than ever.
well done to Lewis 
we dont really have any clue if the new updates on the car really improved the car cuz of the conditions and team could not evaluate and test the new parts as they wanted, i really want to see luck with McLaren and espcially Lewis Hamilton but it doesnt look like it will happen anytime soon
we dont really have any clue if the new updates on the car really improved the car cuz of the conditions and team could not evaluate and test the new parts as they wanted, i really want to see luck with McLaren and espcially Lewis Hamilton but it doesnt look like it will happen anytime soon
QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Oct 9 2010, 16:03)
This should have been a track where Mclaren could put one over on Ferrari though, at the least, and that is looking much less likely now. I'm not blaming that on the developments, but its doesn't look like Mclaren have moved forward relative to the opposition with these updates.
Either way, it doesn't appear that the developments were as good as they were hoping they were gonna be and that was my main point. I'm not saying they're doomed, just that there's bound to be times where things dont work quite as planned when they go with a 'kitchen sink' development approach, and this looks to be another instance of that.
And you keep talking about the wet, but most forecasts I've seen are saying its more likely to be dry.
Either way, it doesn't appear that the developments were as good as they were hoping they were gonna be and that was my main point. I'm not saying they're doomed, just that there's bound to be times where things dont work quite as planned when they go with a 'kitchen sink' development approach, and this looks to be another instance of that.
And you keep talking about the wet, but most forecasts I've seen are saying its more likely to be dry.
It's about the chance, the possibility of being wet, which affects the decision. It can be finely dry, but they have to go with a configurations which could be good for the worst scenario, the rain too.
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QUOTE (Obi Offiah @ Oct 9 2010, 14:33)
Its over.
It's not over til' Abu Dhabi.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Oct 9 2010, 10:17)
It's about the chance, the possibility of being wet, which affects the decision. It can be finely dry, but they have to go with a configurations which could be good for the worst scenario, the rain too.
Fair enough, but there's other things that suggest the updates didn't work as well as planned, too.
The times were unimpressive and they had to talk about there being 'unlocked potential' which has typically meant that it didn't work quite as well as they hoped.
I know these things aren't proof of anything, but I think most things point to the updates not working quite as well as hoped.
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