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femi
Jan 29 2010, 14:29
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 29 2010, 15:21) *
the Williams looks tidy, this looks bold...like it would either be very fast or break down for lack of reliability, design flaw or something...Im thinking its the former


even the biggest Mclaren haters shouldnt expect that this car will somehow turn out to be underdeveloped or so like the 09 car.


Most people expected Mclaren to do very well this year judging by the rate of development and momentum generated last year.
What suprised me most personally was Ferrari's approach that seemed to abandon preparation for this year by trying out stuff on last year's car seeing that there will be no radical rule changes between the 2 years.

If their car does not meed desired results, they are going to have what Mclaren did last year and hopefully benefit from these efforts next year. The problem is the rule changes would be much more pronounced for next year.
femi
Jan 29 2010, 14:30
QUOTE (thiscocks @ Jan 29 2010, 15:26) *
What road bike has cosmetic carbon fiber on it?


He meant racing works bikes - I think.
femi
Jan 29 2010, 14:35
Ferrari alarmed

I think have had a look at Mclaren's car, Ferrari are sounding a bit worried and are laying the grounds for protest - lol
raiseyourfistfor
Jan 29 2010, 14:39
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 29 2010, 09:45) *
So, What do you think?


I like it but I'm disappointed in the shark fin
Hypnotise
Jan 29 2010, 14:39
Looks agressive fast awesome great Lewis WDC
kar
Jan 29 2010, 14:43
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 29 2010, 13:45) *
So, What do you think?


Is it true Lewis designed it on the back of a napkin while doing his morning run, eating a banana?
Alx09
Jan 29 2010, 14:44
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 29 2010, 15:35) *
Ferrari alarmed

I think have had a look at Mclaren's car, Ferrari are sounding a bit worried and are laying the grounds for protest - lol


clap.gif roflmao.gif

Owen
Jan 29 2010, 14:47
QUOTE (kar @ Jan 29 2010, 14:43) *
Is it true Lewis designed it on the back of a napkin while doing his morning run, eating a banana?

Bananas taste nicer than sour grapes. cat.gif
alg7_munif
Jan 29 2010, 14:48
QUOTE (Augurk @ Jan 29 2010, 15:12) *
But then it's only the third car we've seen. And hardly any good images from the Williams! So make it two.

Surprises may still lay ahead. But yes its prettier than the Ferrari.

It is the best looking car compared to other cars using the new aero rules since last year.
mkay
Jan 29 2010, 14:48
QUOTE (kar @ Jan 29 2010, 09:43) *
Is it true Lewis designed it on the back of a napkin while doing his morning run, eating a banana?


Nah. He told me it was all Nicole's.

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nawz
Jan 29 2010, 14:49
Fudge Ferrari seriously. If there is another legal battle over these diffuser stuff then hell will certainly break loose.
Raincoat
Jan 29 2010, 14:50
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 29 2010, 14:35) *
Ferrari alarmed

I think have had a look at Mclaren's car, Ferrari are sounding a bit worried and are laying the grounds for protest - lol



Must have soiled their nappies roflmao.gif roflmao.gif
Anonymous
Jan 29 2010, 14:53
Interesting detail.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2665/mcldiff.jpg
tweiss
Jan 29 2010, 14:54
QUOTE (Wouter @ Jan 29 2010, 09:09) *
As for the livery, there is nothing surprising about this because it was announced weeks ago that the basics of the livery would not change. The fifthdriver, IIRC, posted this. Mclaren is still linked to Mercedes for the time being, and the present livery is much nicer than an orange one - especially so with Vodafone as sponsor.

The 2004 Ferrari didn't look special, but then it was mostly the Bridgestones that made the difference, didn't they? It wasn't until that infamous final Imola test, when Bridgestone brought the 2004 canvas and 2004 compounds together, that the Ferrari was flying over the track on its practically bespoke tyres. I don't think the 2005 Ferrari was much worse, it was just that the tyre situation was turned around completely.


IIRC Ross Brawn did say during an interview that the F2004 was very advanced in the aero department, no doubt the bespoke Bridgestones helped but, that car was a very good and complete "package".
hunnylander
Jan 29 2010, 14:54
QUOTE (kar @ Jan 29 2010, 17:43) *
Is it true Lewis designed it on the back of a napkin while doing his morning run, eating a banana?

Never said such things, he gave only input/feedback, he had to do it. His feedback is worthy for the team to consider it? It's not a speciality.
bonjon1979
Jan 29 2010, 14:55
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Jan 29 2010, 14:50) *
Must have soiled their nappies roflmao.gif roflmao.gif


Those aero tests must've produced really terrible results...
bonjon1979
Jan 29 2010, 14:56
QUOTE (dsfgdshg @ Jan 29 2010, 14:53) *
Interesting detail.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2665/mcldiff.jpg


There's a suggestion that it's the exhaust from the duct that runs through the shark fin.
dabrasco
Jan 29 2010, 14:57
QUOTE (femi @ Jan 29 2010, 15:29) *
Most people expected Mclaren to do very well this year judging by the rate of development and momentum generated last year.
What suprised me most personally was Ferrari's approach that seemed to abandon preparation for this year by trying out stuff on last year's car seeing that there will be no radical rule changes between the 2 years.

If their car does not meed desired results, they are going to have what Mclaren did last year and hopefully benefit from these efforts next year. The problem is the rule changes would be much more pronounced for next year.


yea I dont understand why Ferrari totally abandoned 09 when they could test some 2010 concepts on the 09 car.

in any case, maybe they were right and the new Ferrari is a rocketship...the cars are yet to run on the track, only then can we say for sure who got it wrong or right
undersquare
Jan 29 2010, 14:58
QUOTE (bonjon1979 @ Jan 29 2010, 14:56) *
There's a suggestion that it's the exhaust from the duct that runs through the shark fin.


I saw it said on another forum that they've used the fin for some cooling.
Bonaventura
Jan 29 2010, 14:59
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 29 2010, 14:45) *
So, What do you think?

succeeded up.gif


if it's just as fast as it looks
dabrasco
Jan 29 2010, 15:00
QUOTE (Owen @ Jan 29 2010, 15:47) *
Bananas taste nicer than sour grapes. cat.gif


perfect response lol.gif

Lewis designing skills >>> Ferrari chief designer clap.gif clap.gif (no timba...hahaha)
raiseyourfistfor
Jan 29 2010, 15:00
QUOTE (dsfgdshg @ Jan 29 2010, 10:53) *
Interesting detail.

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2665/mcldiff.jpg


They've had variation of that on the car last year as well. It's just a little wing that adds a bit of downforce.
kar
Jan 29 2010, 15:00
QUOTE (Owen @ Jan 29 2010, 14:47) *
Bananas taste nicer than sour grapes. cat.gif


I dunno, sour grapes have their uses. A nice Aceto Balsamico (di Modena) :-)
EthanM
Jan 29 2010, 15:03
It's a tight package, from the looks of things. Much shorter than the Ferrari and evidently McLaren designed more towards the Brawn philosophy than the redbull philosophy (which is what Ferrari did). The fact the two best funded teams take seemingly very different approaches is interesting considering regulations have been stable for a year.

Whether it's pretty or not, well personally I hate sharkfins with a passion and wish they were banned already (they are a way bigger eyesore than winglets for me) but ...
raiseyourfistfor
Jan 29 2010, 15:13
QUOTE (EthanM @ Jan 29 2010, 11:03) *
well personally I hate sharkfins with a passion and wish they were banned already (they are a way bigger eyesore than winglets for me)


Q F T
alg7_munif
Jan 29 2010, 15:14
I'll add some fuel to the fire:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81129
QUOTE
Q. You have said there are a number of things on the car that you have never seen on an F1 car before. To save us a bit of trouble, could you list them?

MW: I think that would spoil the fun for you and us! I think there are some fairly obvious ones and some discrete ones. I think during the course of next week, people will spot, speculate, describe and theorise on a number of the things that can be seen – and fortunately there are some that cannot be seen so readily. I would not want to spoil the sport for any of you. I know you enjoy this process.

We are here to try and retain a competitive advantage, we are here to try and provide you with as much of an incite as we can without giving away any competitive advantage. So just as any other team, I believe Ferrari was fairly discreet about its twin diffuser yesterday, and anyone who visits the back of this car will also see we have been slightly discreet.
FlashMaster
Jan 29 2010, 15:16
Even not being a Mac fan this car looks awesome and fast, especially compared to the Ferrari. Williams use a similar engine cover as the Mac does
BunnyK
Jan 29 2010, 15:20
I don't like much the McLaren, the fin just doesn't fit in any racing car, but the way they've done it even less, the rest of the car is not bad, but is not one of the best looking cars we've seen, anyway I suppose if it's quick it will look fine as always smile.gif
alg7_munif
Jan 29 2010, 15:20
If the diffusor is really pusing the limit, and the car is indeed very fast, here is a tip for you guys, don't dominate too much, let others think that they can keep up with you tongue.gif
ex Rhodie racer 2
Jan 29 2010, 15:20
QUOTE (HarryReams @ Jan 29 2010, 14:54) *
I'd have paid good money to see Luca's face this morning roflmao.gif

It´s been reported he collapsed........................................laughing.
D.M.N.
Jan 29 2010, 15:20
Blimey O Riley, I can see where the nickname dragster comes from! eek.gif
Archybald
Jan 29 2010, 15:21
QUOTE (EthanM @ Jan 29 2010, 15:03) *
The fact the two best funded teams take seemingly very different approaches is interesting considering regulations have been stable for a year.


Im in favour of any ruleset that lets multiple different ways of interpretation and completely different designs smile.gif
teejay
Jan 29 2010, 15:23
QUOTE (ex Rhodie racer 2 @ Jan 29 2010, 23:20) *
It´s been reported he collapsed........................................pale with fear.


Fixed smile.gif
korzeniow
Jan 29 2010, 15:25
QUOTE (EthanM @ Jan 29 2010, 16:03) *
Much shorter than the Ferrari and evidently McLaren designed more towards the Brawn philosophy than the redbull philosophy (which is what Ferrari did).


What they took from BGP001 philosophy? Because I can't see anything! Especially on the nose
Owen
Jan 29 2010, 15:27
QUOTE (teejay @ Jan 29 2010, 15:23) *
Fixed smile.gif

lol.gif up.gif
alg7_munif
Jan 29 2010, 15:29
QUOTE (teejay @ Jan 29 2010, 16:23) *
Fixed smile.gif

I doubt that he would give any reaction since he won't understand what he is seeing anyway, we are talking about the guy who drove onto the gravel trap. roflmao.gif
f1rules
Jan 29 2010, 15:30
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/263/90206262.jpg
Lazarus II
Jan 29 2010, 15:31
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 29 2010, 09:45) *
So, What do you think?

Looks great Andy. Big congrats to everyone from Texas. I hope it achieves what you all want from it. up.gif
Timstr11
Jan 29 2010, 15:33
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 29 2010, 16:30) *

Nice.
This looks very much like the RedBull's cooling philosophy:
The exhaust pipes blowing low, near the wishbones. The hot radiator air exhausts through a central channel at the back.
MinT
Jan 29 2010, 15:35
It is rather strange though - neither car has turned a wheel yet but just compare the latest comments on the Ferrari thread to this one.

If only the season was won on car launch discussion lol.gif
Archybald
Jan 29 2010, 15:38
i love the look of the McLaren but i have to admit im eagerly waiting to see the red bull for 2010 (even though im not a red bull fan)
mkay
Jan 29 2010, 15:39
Pushrod or Pullrod suspension?
RoutariEnjinu
Jan 29 2010, 15:40
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Jan 29 2010, 15:39) *
I like it but I'm disappointed in the shark fin


I didn't like the shark fins, but I like this one. It's flows right from the air intake.
The others of previous seasons just looked like a normal engine-cover/intake shape, with a FOR SALE sign stuck on.
Orges Dushku
Jan 29 2010, 15:45
What makes Mclaren fans so confident that its already fast? Ok it looks good but we'll see in Bahrain smile.gif
bonjon1979
Jan 29 2010, 15:47
QUOTE (mkay @ Jan 29 2010, 15:39) *
Pushrod or Pullrod suspension?


Pushrod.

All information on car can be found here:

http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/2010/press...0/tech-spec.php
Snap Matt
Jan 29 2010, 15:56
It's certainly interesting and I don't know if I like the look of it yet. As long as it does what it is supposed to, I don't suppose it matters. Will need to see some more photos anyway.
mkay
Jan 29 2010, 15:56
QUOTE (bonjon1979 @ Jan 29 2010, 10:47) *
Pushrod.

All information on car can be found here:

http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/2010/press...0/tech-spec.php


Disappointed. Pullrod is so much better than pushrod.
Sisplatin
Jan 29 2010, 15:57
QUOTE (mkay @ Jan 29 2010, 15:39) *
Pushrod or Pullrod suspension?

As posted by Scrabs
Pull rods wont be there on any car even on Redbulls as Pullrods disrupts the airflow to DDD
Also difficult to package everything there

Maybe in 2010 Redbull will bring it back again
mkay
Jan 29 2010, 15:59
QUOTE (Sisplatin @ Jan 29 2010, 10:57) *
As posted by Scrabs
Pull rods wont be there on any car even on Redbulls as Pullrods disrupts the airflow to DDD
Also difficult to package everything there

Maybe in 2010 Redbull will bring it back again


Maybe, but pullrod seems to bring in many other advantages, as you can see from the RB5's speed in 2009.
Fortymark
Jan 29 2010, 15:59
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 29 2010, 17:30) *
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/263/90206262.jpg


That is looking so clean and sleek up.gif
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