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kar
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 29 2010, 12:00) *
really? Lewis open personality is what gets him into trouble with you guys


Lewis doesn't have an open personality, that's why he rubs people the wrong way so much.
Zdeus
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 29 2010, 17:13) *
Paddy Lowe revealed a 160kg fuel tank. But isn't 1 litre of petrol lighter than 1 kg. Come on chemists what is the real fuel tank capacity?


Generally (at 60F) 1 liter of fuel is approximately .74kg for normal cars. For aviation it comes down to .72kg. Assuming that formula one fuel is high octane (as is the aviation fuel with hydrocarbons such as benzene and such) its going to be similar or even more lighter.

Assuming 1liter = .72 kg , 160kg fuel tank = 220 liters.
Dom77
http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/2010/press...0/tech-spec.php

I didnt know that the front wet tyres wont narrower for 2010 interesting!!
Ruud de la Rosa
QUOTE (slideways @ Jan 29 2010, 13:01) *


are they trying to roast the suspension with the exhaust so close?
WebBerK
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jan 29 2010, 09:48) *



Some Marca photographer can't read english. tongue.gif
Victor_RO
Is it me or did the person who asked JB about driving on heavy fuel sound a LOT like Jacky Ickx?
undersquare
QUOTE (kar @ Jan 29 2010, 12:03) *
Lewis doesn't have an open personality, that's why he rubs people the wrong way so much.


He's open and competitive. Openly competitve.

But the politically correct way is apparently humble and competitive...
WebBerK
QUOTE (Ravindra Nagpurkar @ Jan 29 2010, 10:03) *
Generally (at 60F) 1 liter of fuel is approximately .74kg for normal cars. For aviation it comes down to .72kg. Assuming that formula one fuel is high octane (as is the aviation fuel with hydrocarbons such as benzene and such) its going to be similar or even more lighter.

Assuming 1liter = .72 kg , 160kg fuel tank = 220 liters.


Fuel ExxonMobil High Performance Unleaded (5.75% bio fuel)
Clatter
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 29 2010, 12:01) *
But you also have a year to refine the concept. Don't forget the devil is in the detail.


Some of the detail is usually lost when copying.
Ijsman
QUOTE (katmen @ Jan 29 2010, 12:43) *


Thanks alot! Looks awesome from that agnle. Best McLaren in years, it looks sleek and mean. And I don't mind the sharkfin.
Clatter
QUOTE (Dom77 @ Jan 29 2010, 12:04) *
http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/2010/press...0/tech-spec.php

I didnt know that the front wet tyres wont narrower for 2010 interesting!!


That will screw up the aerodynamics at the front then.

milestone 11
QUOTE (Raziel @ Jan 29 2010, 10:24) *
Damn what a weird shark fin! McLaren finally decided to use it!
MP4/10? and this bloody thing is almost as ugly.
muramasa

judghing by the shape of underpanel, i imagine scoop up for DDD begins at the middle of the car, somewhere around "vod" of vodafone, and is quite wide.
barteks
QUOTE (MrPippy @ Jan 29 2010, 12:55) *
Press pack is back up http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/2010/presspack2010/

Hopefully some desktop wallpaper-sized shots will show up later--I want the side view for my desktop

Could you post some studio shots?
Timstr11
QUOTE (Clatter @ Jan 29 2010, 13:12) *
That will screw up the aerodynamics at the front then.

Conditions requiring full wet tyres won't suit the cars aero anyway. It's very much about mechanical grip in those conditions.
Portier
Under the engine intake there is a cooling opening. It is not just a splitter anymore. Maybe it goes to the mentioned middle coolers but dunno how the air goes around the intake system.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/...mp;b=1264765820
f1rules
QUOTE (Ruud de la Rosa @ Jan 29 2010, 13:04) *
are they trying to roast the suspension with the exhaust so close?


i think theyll remove that part, you can see a line in that pic, and i think theyll remove this so more hot air can exit, its just for launch i think
Clatter
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Jan 29 2010, 12:14) *
Conditions requiring full wet tyres won't suit the cars aero anyway. It's very much about mechanical grip in those conditions.


True, but the front wing won't extend to the width of tyre so the aerodynamics will suffer even more than normal.
Portier
And this under the nose is the same as the Williams' solution used in 09:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/...mp;b=1264765233
BinaryDad
QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Jan 29 2010, 13:14) *
Conditions requiring full wet tyres won't suit the cars aero anyway. It's very much about mechanical grip in those conditions.


Actually, I don't think that's completely true.

More mechanical grip is needed to help keep the tires warm at lower cornering speeds but aero is just as important to make up for the reduced friction with the road surface. Look at how the lack of downforce affected the handling of the McLaren in 2008 during the final GP, and pretty much in every wet race of 2009.


bonjon1979
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jan 29 2010, 11:48) *


If you look carefully at that picture you can see that there is a channel that comes out over the bridge on the rearwing. Could be fed from diffuser or could be air from duct that runs through the Shark fin, which is fed by the second opening in the airbox.
Tenmantaylor
http://carlaunch.mclaren.com/?utm_source=N...campaign=NL2010

WOW!

That looks amazing in profile. The way the sidepods blend down and up into the new shark fin is amazing! So sculpted.
Augurk
I wonder if there's anyone doubting if the Ferrari or the McLaren will be quicker!
pingu666
cars might look quite odd then? as the front will be wider than the rear...
wonder what the size difference is
Ruud de la Rosa
QUOTE (Augurk @ Jan 29 2010, 13:23) *
I wonder if there's anyone doubting if the Ferrari or the McLaren will be quicker!

no doubt, they will be slower ;) Rumours are that ferrari's wind tunnel results indicate a lack of performance.
raiseyourfistfor
QUOTE (pingu666 @ Jan 29 2010, 08:25) *
cars might look quite odd then? as the front will be wider than the rear...
wonder what the size difference is


25mm

It's not something that we will really notice unless you look really closely
mstar
QUOTE (kar @ Jan 29 2010, 11:24) *
Jenson is a vastly more extroverted, charismatic personality so it's almost certain he's going to win any battle of banter. But Lewis' charisma is what he can do in a racing car. And in that battle I don't even think it's going to be close.

The big story for me this year is going to be whether Jenson can rally McLaren around him as the 'more human guy' even if Lewis is wiping the floor with him on the track.


Yes i definately thinkk Jenson seems more relaxed in front of press/media etc. Lewis still seems a bit star strucked and quiet. Jenson seems a good speaker and in control of his speaking
Augurk
QUOTE (Ruud de la Rosa @ Jan 29 2010, 13:26) *
no doubt, they will be slower ;) Rumours are that ferrari's wind tunnel results indicate a lack of performance.

Definitely. But even by the looks of the designs I would hardly be able to believe that the Ferrari is going to pose any threat to McLaren.
f1rules
QUOTE (Portier @ Jan 29 2010, 13:19) *
And this under the nose is the same as the Williams' solution used in 09:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/bilder/...mp;b=1264765233



this mclaren just looks so nicely developed, complex, refined and sophisticated, this pic showing their double splitter layout, very interesting, and very nice detail
wingwalker
QUOTE (BinaryDad @ Jan 29 2010, 13:20) *
Actually, I don't think that's completely true.

More mechanical grip is needed to help keep the tires warm at lower cornering speeds but aero is just as important to make up for the reduced friction with the road surface. Look at how the lack of downforce affected the handling of the McLaren in 2008 during the final GP, and pretty much in every wet race of 2009.



I'm not an expert by any means but teams rarely mention having problems with inters/full wets being too cold, which makes sense those tires are designed to work in a lower temperature window than slicks. The opposite usually happens: track starts to dry up and tires overcook themselves. Focus on mechanical grip in the wet comes from the the gigantic disproportion of horsepower and little weight on slippery surface. It's slippery so getting power down without wheelspin matters even more and to make matters worse cornering speeds are much, much lower so better mechanical grip gives a clear advantage not on let's say 5 (as it is in dry) but on 12 out of track corners.
Gilles4Ever
QUOTE (Augurk @ Jan 29 2010, 14:28) *
Definitely. But even by the looks of the designs I would hardly be able to believe that the Ferrari is going to pose any threat to McLaren.

You can tell all this from the pictures of the launch cars?
Augurk
QUOTE (Gilles4Ever @ Jan 29 2010, 13:29) *
You can tell all this from the pictures of the launch cars?

Of course not, it's just a gut feeling. The McLaren to me seems a more integrated design. And considering they were both dogs last year, at least it seems McLaren really have done something about it whereas Ferrari seem to be grasping.
raiseyourfistfor
The front "splitter" doesn't look like it will work to me. Looks like a silly gimmick.

Also I doubt that they are keeping those exhaust openings for the races / tests. They look eerily similar to the ones last year.
RodrigoL
QUOTE (Augurk @ Jan 29 2010, 12:23) *
I wonder if there's anyone doubting if the Ferrari or the McLaren will be quicker!


I heard that last year too.
dabrasco
QUOTE (mstar @ Jan 29 2010, 13:27) *
Yes i definately thinkk Jenson seems more relaxed in front of press/media etc. Lewis still seems a bit star strucked and quiet. Jenson seems a good speaker and in control of his speaking


I dont see it, they both seemed equally comfortable...they just have diff. speaking styles. who is Lewis star struck of?
pingu666
i like how the car looks like its going quickly, even standing still biggrin.gif
Madras
I remember loads of people last year saying the McLaren looked the fastest car and it turned out to be a turkey. No saying this one will but you should never go on looks, well unless you have aerodynamic qualifications.

Mclarens always tend to look quite intricate - i think it's the silver paint job that makes it look more detailed than others.
WDC
QUOTE (Augurk @ Jan 29 2010, 09:30) *
Of course not, it's just a gut feeling. The McLaren to me seems a more integrated design. And considering they were both dogs last year, at least it seems McLaren really have done something about it whereas Ferrari seem to be grasping.




remember 2004? both williams & mclaren had radical new front noses whereas ferrari f2003-ga & f2004 look similar
Timstr11
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Jan 29 2010, 13:31) *
The front "splitter" doesn't look like it will work to me. Looks like a silly gimmick.

Williams had it last year and probably this year too. Brawn had a similar device attached to the Bib tray.
You don't put something on a front wing, an extremely critical aero part, to be a 'silly gimmick'.
Muzzinho
QUOTE (pingu666 @ Jan 29 2010, 13:33) *
i like how the car looks like its going quickly, even standing still biggrin.gif


Car looks ok. Bit Bulky towards the rear.

Jenson may take a win or two with it..... 5th on the WCC table...
bogi
QUOTE (WDC @ Jan 29 2010, 13:38) *
remember 2004? both williams & mclaren had radical new front noses whereas ferrari f2003-ga & f2004 look similar



That was tyre&engine war, this is new F1.
Augurk
QUOTE (WDC @ Jan 29 2010, 13:38) *
remember 2004? both williams & mclaren had radical new front noses whereas ferrari f2003-ga & f2004 look similar

True smile.gif And I wouldn't mind being proved wrong. Not at all actually, seeing as I will be rooting for Mercedes and Schumacher.
FlatOverCrest
That's a good looking machine. up.gif
Wouter
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 29 2010, 12:02) *
and the streaming is working, eek.gif eek.gif eek.gif

Indeed, quite remarkable. I only started streaming when they were already interviewing Lewis and Jenson, and still it worked right away and was stable to boot. Seldom seen at such internet events.

I can see now why they were so bullish about this car at McLaren, why Andy told us it would be worth the wait. I don't think it's pretty at all, but it is very aggressive and it looks very different to the Ferrari and Williams. Hopefully it will be fast (it should be, going by the explanations of Tim Goss and Paddy Lowe about not compromising aero) and hopefully the new cooling concept will prove to be more reliable than the one the equally or more revolutionary MP4/18 had.

I'm of 2 minds about this presentation: on the one hand you think "this is it" the moment you look at it, so aggressive does it look and so much confidence does the team show, on the other hand the car shape vaguely reminds me of the 1995 MP4/10, the first Mercedes powered McLaren. That one looked aggressive too but it was one of the worst Macs ever.

Speaking about Mercedes, we pretty much knew it but I'm still glad to see them still prominently displayed on the car. And why people want to get rid of this gorgeous livery, I don't know.
Owen
Check it out from this angle smoking.gif
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photolarge.php?p...&catID=4673
WDC
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5050/33...emclarenmer.jpg


clearer one from the top
Ruud de la Rosa
QUOTE (Madras @ Jan 29 2010, 13:38) *
I remember loads of people last year saying the McLaren looked the fastest car and it turned out to be a turkey. No saying this one will but you should never go on looks, well unless you have aerodynamic qualifications.

Mclarens always tend to look quite intricate - i think it's the silver paint job that makes it look more detailed than others.


I remember a lot of people saying that it looked chubby, even fat in the back. However there seemed to be a consensus that it was a pretty car.
alecc
QUOTE (WDC @ Jan 29 2010, 13:38) *
remember 2004? both williams & mclaren had radical new front noses whereas ferrari f2003-ga & f2004 look similar


Are the cars have rear noses? or side noses? eek.gif
Andy35
It is interesting that both Ferrari and McLaren didn't match up to their own expectations last year and so Ferrari started their 2010 design early whilst McLaren buckled down to produce some better results towards the end of the year.

Given those two different approaches it is now rather surprising it is McLaren who have such a radical approach whilst Ferrari's seems less so and sort of looks more 2009.

Andy
DOHC
Doesn't it look fast?
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