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jjcale

Jan 29 2010, 11:33

QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 29 2010, 11:13)

Jenson Button is an ultra smooth operator.

What an awesome team with Lewis, this is going to be awesome!

So true. LH is too intense to be cool... he just had to tell us that he had a major input in the design process. That said, the car must be good... success has many fathers. Failure is a bastard.

Psymon

Jan 29 2010, 11:33

Couple more pics of the car, these from James Allen:

http://twitpic.com/10ap0k
http://twitpic.com/10ap35

FlashMaster

Jan 29 2010, 11:33

This engine cover looks evil

raiseyourfistfor

Jan 29 2010, 11:34

QUOTE (Ruud de la Rosa @ Jan 29 2010, 07:29)

or teams launch their new cars with old wings.

then why didn't they put the wings that that they actually used in abu dhabi / brazil?

f1rules

Jan 29 2010, 11:34

MW lol,

bogi

Jan 29 2010, 11:37

QUOTE (Psymon @ Jan 29 2010, 12:33)

Couple more pics of the car, these from James Allen:

http://twitpic.com/10ap0k
http://twitpic.com/10ap35

Wtf is that under the nose, it looks like last year Renault.

Timstr11

Jan 29 2010, 11:38

QUOTE (bogi @ Jan 29 2010, 12:37)

Wtf is that under the nose, it looks like last year Renault.

No, more like what Williams had.

Raincoat

Jan 29 2010, 11:38

Just come back from the future, MP4-25 was the best car of the year!!

Timstr11

Jan 29 2010, 11:39

QUOTE (Raincoat @ Jan 29 2010, 12:38)

Just come back from the future, MP4-25 was the best car of the year!!

Hello, you haven't seen the RB6 and the Mercdes yet...

kar

Jan 29 2010, 11:40

It's interesting to hear how dumb some of the journalists are...

Ijsman

Jan 29 2010, 11:41

QUOTE (Atreiu @ Jan 29 2010, 12:32)

Thumbs up baby!

I can't see the image...

Raincoat

Jan 29 2010, 11:42

QUOTE (Timstr11 @ Jan 29 2010, 11:39)

Hello, you haven't seen the RB6 and the Mercdes yet...

Oh I saw them, a couple of laps behind the MP4-25

The Ragged Edge

Jan 29 2010, 11:43

Paddy Lowe revealed a 160kg fuel tank. But isn't 1 litre of petrol lighter than 1 kg. Come on chemists what is the real fuel tank capacity?

katmen

Jan 29 2010, 11:43

QUOTE (Ijsman @ Jan 29 2010, 12:41)

I can't see the image...

i saved it
http://bit.ly/d8moIf

alg7_munif

Jan 29 2010, 11:43

How can they get a small back end with a large fuel tank? The back end near the rear wing looks sleek.

Victor_RO

Jan 29 2010, 11:44

QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 29 2010, 13:43)

Paddy Lowe revealed a 160kg fuel tank. But isn't 1 litre of petrol lighter than 1 kg. Come on chemists what is the real fuel tank capacity?

190-210 liters, depending on fuel density.

Ruud de la Rosa

Jan 29 2010, 11:45

QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Jan 29 2010, 12:34)

then why didn't they put the wings that that they actually used in abu dhabi / brazil?

I would be very, very, very surprised if they run these wings in Bahrain. Why they chose these particular ones? probably aesthetics?

OneAndOnly

Jan 29 2010, 11:45

QUOTE (RoutariEnjinu @ Jan 29 2010, 12:22)

I like it.

I like how different it is from the Ferrari too.

I hope there are some more surprise launches with unexpected designs

It's not so different as it might seem in first look. Nose is higher and not so rounded like on MP4-24. Same difference from F60 to F10. Mid section is the only place where you can see last year's car influence. Sidepods rather different like with F10. Back of the car totally different form last year's car like in F10.
Basically only bigger difference are sidepods and car height (conceptual differences). F10 is bit shorter, yet bit higher. Higher car nose and optimising car's front aerodynamics for DDD is same aproach Ferrari had with F10.
It is kinda funny to make any assumptions about car's performance based just on the car's look, but it seems that McLaren really put some efforts on this car. I think it will be on the pace.

Gilles4Ever

Jan 29 2010, 11:46

QUOTE (alg7_munif @ Jan 29 2010, 13:43)

How can they get a small back end with a large fuel tank? The back end near the rear wing looks sleek.

Fuel tank is between Engine and driver

slideways

Jan 29 2010, 11:46

High Res shots up on autosport now ... wow. Car looks amazing!

Atreiu

Jan 29 2010, 11:47

QUOTE (OneAndOnly @ Jan 29 2010, 09:45)

(...)It is kinda funny to make any assumptions about car's performance based just on the car's look, but it seems that McLaren really put some efforts on this car. I think it will be on the pace.

Well, they did stress how much they have worked on this car. If we are to belive it, it should be a winner, or at least genuine contender.

f1rules

Jan 29 2010, 11:48

what is that under the nosecone, is that a splitter, to devide the air around the car

OneAndOnly

Jan 29 2010, 11:48

QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 29 2010, 12:43)

Paddy Lowe revealed a 160kg fuel tank. But isn't 1 litre of petrol lighter than 1 kg. Come on chemists what is the real fuel tank capacity?

One liter of petrol weights about 0.737 kg @ 15 degrees C.

RodrigoL

Jan 29 2010, 11:48

McLaren's cover > Ferrari's cover

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...01/mp4_25_3.jpg

kar

Jan 29 2010, 11:49

Oh lame plug there :-)

alg7_munif

Jan 29 2010, 11:50

QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jan 29 2010, 12:48)

McLaren's cover > Ferrari's cover

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...01/mp4_25_3.jpg

Clatter

Jan 29 2010, 11:50

QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 29 2010, 11:43)

Paddy Lowe revealed a 160kg fuel tank. But isn't 1 litre of petrol lighter than 1 kg. Come on chemists what is the real fuel tank capacity?

Petrol weight 1Litre = 0.73722kg (at 60 deg F)
160/0.737 = 217 litres

The Ragged Edge

Jan 29 2010, 11:51

QUOTE (Victor_RO @ Jan 29 2010, 11:44)

190-210 liters, depending on fuel density.

Thats a large fuel tank. According to some of the figures regarding F1 engine fuel consumption, they estimate Renault can do the longest race of the year on 165 litres.

Surely these fuel consumption figures are wrong.

roadie

Jan 29 2010, 11:52

http://twitpic.com/10ap0k/full

Best picture of the sidepods I've seen so far.

V8 Fireworks

Jan 29 2010, 11:52

QUOTE (bonjon1979 @ Jan 29 2010, 11:49)

Lubricants Mobil 1 – for higher performance, lower friction, better protection, cooling and wear resistance

Mercedes runs Syntium and McLaren runs Mobil, yet they are both works Mercedes backed efforts.

Surely there is a compromise there, and McLaren will be required to use Petronas products in Mobil packaging by Mercedes?

slideways

Jan 29 2010, 11:52

They have focussed massively on the rear end, that sidepod / engine cover is stunning, can't wait to see the diffuser.

raiseyourfistfor

Jan 29 2010, 11:52

QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jan 29 2010, 07:48)

McLaren's cover > Ferrari's cover

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...01/mp4_25_3.jpg

Ferrari's diffuser (cover atleast) looked bigger

Anonymous

Jan 29 2010, 11:53

QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jan 29 2010, 12:48)

McLaren's cover > Ferrari's cover

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...01/mp4_25_3.jpg

jeze

Jan 29 2010, 11:54

From the front it looks quite similar to the Ferarri. Both cars certainly look better than the horrible Williams front wing by the way

raiseyourfistfor

Jan 29 2010, 11:54

rear wing looks very weird

Orin

Jan 29 2010, 11:55

Strange looking car - I hope it works

MrPippy

Jan 29 2010, 11:55

Press pack is back up http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/2010/presspack2010/

Hopefully some desktop wallpaper-sized shots will show up later--I want the side view for my desktop

tkulla

Jan 29 2010, 11:55

Not a fan of shark fins, but at least the MP4-25 doesn't have the messy add-ons around the radiator inlets like the Ferrari (and most of the cars last year) has. I still don't understand why they didn't ban such warts for this year along with the wheel covers.

denthierry

Jan 29 2010, 11:57

QUOTE (David1976 @ Jan 29 2010, 12:21)

Agree. It makes it look like a bit of a dog.

well after all i'm glad Kimi won't have to sit in that car, i bet he is too

tkulla

Jan 29 2010, 11:57

The front wing is certainly just a placeholder, and may not even be the one they run in the first test. There's no point in giving away such an important part of your aero concept to the competition so soon. From what I read about the Brawn, the key to their success was the front wing.

Dom77

Jan 29 2010, 11:58

Mclaren doesn't looklike the red bull RB5 clone

At least its somewhat original. Unlike ferrari, usually if you copy last years best car its not the best solution! Your pretty much using ideas from a year ago!

Ruud de la Rosa

Jan 29 2010, 11:59

QUOTE (Clatter @ Jan 29 2010, 12:50)

Petrol weight 1Litre = 0.73722kg (at 60 deg F)
160/0.737 = 217 litres

number is about right: from the regulations: Density at 15°C unit: kg/m³ min:720.0 max:775.0 testing method:ASTM D 4052

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_an...s/6852/fia.html

werks prototype

Jan 29 2010, 11:59

Very very impressive. I think this type of live stream has to be the way forward now for the other teams in the future. The teams has already answered most of my questions and as Martin Whitmarsh said we can now spend the next few weeks pouring over the subtle details of this particular abstract expression of beast speed. I thank you. Beautiful. Got that good feeling once again.

alg7_munif

Jan 29 2010, 11:59

The car that is built for the diffusor of justice from the ground up

dabrasco

Jan 29 2010, 12:00

QUOTE (kar @ Jan 29 2010, 12:24)

Jenson is a vastly more extroverted, charismatic personality so it's almost certain he's going to win any battle of banter.

really? Lewis open personality is what gets him into trouble with you guys

robracer

Jan 29 2010, 12:00

Car
Drivers with car
Front view
Rear end

The Ragged Edge

Jan 29 2010, 12:01

QUOTE (Dom77 @ Jan 29 2010, 11:58)

Mclaren doesn't looklike the red bull RB5 clone

At least its somewhat original. Unlike ferrari, usually if you copy last years best car its not the best solution! Your pretty much using ideas from a year ago!

But you also have a year to refine the concept. Don't forget the devil is in the detail.

slideways

Jan 29 2010, 12:01

rear suspension

WebBerK

Jan 29 2010, 12:01

The rear section is really different.

Firts the exhaust pipes are directed to the side.
Then Paddy Lowe said that there are cooling ellements inside/integrated w/ the fin soluction.

The Hunchback Maca

The Silver Iron

Timstr11

Jan 29 2010, 12:02

From Scarbs on F1technical.net:

QUOTE

The MP4-25 follows more of Brawns lead than the expected Red Bull philosophy. Following brawns lead last year with a relatively low nose, even placing their steering rack down inline with the lower wishbones. but then taking a cue from the Williams by having a snow plough under the nose. Although Brawn did have their own take on this device mounted above their splitter. Surprisingly there’s no Newey “V” nose.
The front wing was based on the one seen in testing late last year, with some added fences between the mandatory neutral central section and the four element ‘downforce’ producing outer portions.
The sidepods follow McLaren’s recent practice with inlets mounted high above a deep undercut, this year the inlets are rectangular section. The sidepods then drop sharply exposing the vast curvaceous fuel tank.
McLaren has shrunken the sidepods by raising the exhaust system into its own bulge and exiting high above the gearbox, this area probably also vents some of the hot radiator air, allowing the rear portion of the coke bottle shape to be extra thin. A shark fin has been added so a little Red Bull influence does exist.

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