QUOTE (Brandz07 @ Aug 28 2010, 22:37) 
Did anybody else notice Button had the new wing, Lewis ran with an old spec.
Yeah, I was gonna say... "Didn't Lewis use the cascade wing?". Not 100% sure what Jense had on, but it was the new wing eh?
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Yeah, I was gonna say... "Didn't Lewis use the cascade wing?". Not 100% sure what Jense had on, but it was the new wing eh?
QUOTE (Hotwheels @ Aug 28 2010, 14:49)
Even though this track suits us, i think it is telling that Ferrari were so poor. IMO, they must have had to change something in their car for the new tests. I hope it is this and not just the wrong tires in the 1st run and then the rain.
Ferrari wasn't that bad. Alonso made them look like that. They are a bit behind on this track, but not a lot
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QUOTE (Anonymous @ Aug 28 2010, 17:54)
http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery...28aug-1/110.jpg
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According to photos both drivers used the same front wing
QUOTE (Anonymous @ Aug 28 2010, 15:54)
Stunning! My new wallpaper
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Amazing picture.
QUOTE (Brandz07 @ Aug 28 2010, 15:37)
Did anybody else notice Button had the new wing, Lewis ran with an old spec.
Lewis Hamilton
Jenson Button
Is there really a difference in the front wings? I thought that Lewis just did one stint with the old wing at the end of FP3.
QUOTE (Watkins74 @ Aug 28 2010, 14:55)
I didn't think McLaren would be this fast. Good job McLaren. 
I totally agree.
Gotta love teams that do their homework.
QUOTE (OS X @ Aug 28 2010, 23:11)
I thought that Lewis just did one stint with the old wing at the end of FP3.
Thats what I saw too. I'm looking for a photo now... but I'm pretty sure I saw that in Q3... cascade wing.
QUOTE (SNiko @ Aug 28 2010, 17:00)
According to photos both drivers used the same front wing
Those picture aren't only from qualifying.
Lewis uses the old wing, I wrote earlier. I wrote 'uses' instead of 'used' because he has to and will use that for the race too. Button uses the new wing.
I think Lewis didn't find the new wing an improvement, he maybe prefers a more biting front and the old wing could be better for a wet race too.
The top drivers have around the same top speed, so the overtaking will be about skills, McLaren's running a lot of wing, that rear wing is a barn door compared to the rear wings of many other teams.
I don't even know which bit they even adjust when it comes to the angle of attack of the wings. Is it both the red elements or just the top element. I doubt they can adjust the cascades they just seem fixed. Also they can adjust them during the race right? I'm sure it's just the top element that is adjustable
QUOTE (F.M. @ Aug 28 2010, 15:53)
Ferrari wasn't that bad. Alonso made them look like that. They are a bit behind on this track, but not a lot
I'd say the Spaniard was caught with his pants down, wiping his rear end, when the race for position actually picked up.
Alonso has a knack for being at the right place at the right time, but... Boy oh boy! When he messes up he makes Jimmy Jump look like the invisible man.
definately lewis used the old wing, could be seen clearly & especially in onboards. like hunnylander said ;)
QUOTE (King Six @ Aug 28 2010, 17:15)
I don't even know which bit they even adjust when it comes to the angle of attack of the wings. Is it both the red elements or just the top element. I doubt they can adjust the cascades they just seem fixed. Also they can adjust them during the race right? I'm sure it's just the top element that is adjustable
Only the front wing is allowed to be adjusted for/in the race.
I haven't seen sign of the cascades being (quickly) adjustable or adjusted, probably they are fixed, but there may be different angles from them for compiling more downforce version of the same type of wing. From the rear wing also there may be different versions for configuring downforce, but that cannot be changed after the start of the qualfying (efforts of that car), as the parc ferme begins for the car.
Very encouraging last lap by Lewis; the EBD seems to be working pretty well here under those circumstances, a far cry from the first iteration in Silverstone practice. A decent chance to win the race tomorrow; the start and first lap won't determine everything though as I think it will rain at some point during the race.
The bad performance from Ferrari is surprising; wonder if they had to change their car to conform or if they really screwed up in qual.
I hope McLaren will use the f-duct in Monza; their apparent decision not to use it there, of all places, seems very weird.
The bad performance from Ferrari is surprising; wonder if they had to change their car to conform or if they really screwed up in qual.
I hope McLaren will use the f-duct in Monza; their apparent decision not to use it there, of all places, seems very weird.
QUOTE (Wouter @ Aug 28 2010, 16:35)
I hope McLaren will use the f-duct in Monza; their apparent decision not to use it there, of all places, seems very weird.
it wouldn't bring as much of a benefit apparently which seems realistic, and that decision isn't final anyway, they later retracted their statement saying they may do.
QUOTE (Wouter @ Aug 28 2010, 16:35)
Very encouraging last lap by Lewis; the EBD seems to be working pretty well here under those circumstances, a far cry from the first iteration in Silverstone practice. A decent chance to win the race tomorrow; the start and first lap won't determine everything though as I think it will rain at some point during the race.
The bad performance from Ferrari is surprising; wonder if they had to change their car to conform or if they really screwed up in qual.
I hope McLaren will use the f-duct in Monza; their apparent decision not to use it there, of all places, seems very weird.
The bad performance from Ferrari is surprising; wonder if they had to change their car to conform or if they really screwed up in qual.
I hope McLaren will use the f-duct in Monza; their apparent decision not to use it there, of all places, seems very weird.
Monza is all about reducing drag. It is unlike Spa in that it only has a tiny percentage of the lap spent in high speed corners. Spa probably has x6 as many 220k+ corners therefore the downforce/drag tradeoff is much more highly rewarded by the F-Duct. At monza, parabolica is the only comparable high speed corner where the DF retained by the F-Duct would reward laptime, maybe a little in the lesmos too. But such is the the low df config required at Monza, using a completely specific, non- f-ducted rear wing setup maybe faster (ie an f ductable rear wing maybe too high drag even in lowest drag guise). Not basing this on anything, just speculation.
Someone on this thread and in other forums said that Lewis lost half a second to Red Bull in the middle sector, is this true? I thought Lewis lost time in sector 1 due to the rain but was awesome in sectors 2 and 3. Correct me if I'm wrong as I suspect I am.
QUOTE (GAZF1nut @ Aug 28 2010, 16:54)
Someone on this thread and in other forums said that Lewis lost half a second to Red Bull in the middle sector, is this true? I thought Lewis lost time in sector 1 due to the rain but was awesome in sectors 2 and 3. Correct me if I'm wrong as I suspect I am.
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/201...ctor_times.html
QUOTE (bond @ Aug 28 2010, 16:56)
He was 0.5 slower than Vettel in S2 and 0.3 slower than Webber.
The 0.3 lost is S1 was compared to his own first run.
QUOTE (Sinister @ Aug 28 2010, 17:20)
That wing seems flexing!
QUOTE (bauss @ Aug 28 2010, 16:31)
yea they both did well in the final runs... Im one of the few that still doesnt believe Jenson is that weak in qualy. He has a knack of putting in very strong laps in when it matters... its just that the car isnt that great and Lewis has been in beast mode all season.
Well that's one way to describe it.
Here the McLaren seems a great car to have. They look good for the race tomorrow, whether it's dry or wet.
QUOTE (meddo @ Aug 28 2010, 10:30)
The ¨25 was losing half a second at T8 in Istanbul alone. To lose mere 0,5 through 2nd sector at Spa is no mean feat at all.
They were much quicker than RBR on the straights of Istanbul though so you cannot really compare the 2 races.
QUOTE (zack1994 @ Aug 28 2010, 10:38)
button is stronger in the race though just like the mclaren
Button is stronger in the race compared to Lewis? I am not sure aboot that
Did anyone posted this info:
http://twitter.com/alobatof1
From Lobato twitter.
He said that Mclaren is having troubles to give the fuel sample to the FIA.
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Problemas para McLaren para pasar las verificaciones. Al parecer tienen problemas para dar a la FIA la muestra de gasolina. Siguen en ello.
http://twitter.com/alobatof1
From Lobato twitter.
He said that Mclaren is having troubles to give the fuel sample to the FIA.
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There definitely seems to be more visible flexing with this new wing. The previous wing was close to rigid around every corner, whereas this one seems to be flexing a few centimeters at least.
I think McLaren had previously designed the wings without attempting any deliberate flexing in that area, but are definitely able to add some flex if needed, even if they're not as well developed in that area as RB.
I think McLaren had previously designed the wings without attempting any deliberate flexing in that area, but are definitely able to add some flex if needed, even if they're not as well developed in that area as RB.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Aug 28 2010, 18:35)
That wing seems flexing!
Any pics more of this "our flexi-wing"??
Interesting.....
Regards
QUOTE (Sinister @ Aug 28 2010, 17:20)
The car is coming over a crest, the wheels on the right side are hidden behind the crest, therefore it looks like it's lower on that side.
(at least I think so : o )
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Aug 28 2010, 18:35)
That wing seems flexing!
I think the track is flexing
QUOTE (Alx09 @ Aug 28 2010, 18:24)
The car is coming over a crest, the wheels on the right side are hidden behind the crest, therefore it looks like it's lower on that side.
(at least I think so : o )
(at least I think so : o )
yeah, it was a joke i think
Anything new about the fuel of mclarens???
QUOTE (Kimiraikkonen @ Aug 28 2010, 18:36)
Anything new about the fuel of mclarens???
On the same twitter feed he now says:-
No hay aun clasi oficial, pero me cuentan q McLaren pasara la verificación, aunque han tenido q exprimir bien el coche. Glock sancionado 5 p
I cant speek spanish though
QUOTE (Mika Mika @ Aug 28 2010, 18:37)
On the same twitter feed he now says:-
No hay aun clasi oficial, pero me cuentan q McLaren pasara la verificación, aunque han tenido q exprimir bien el coche. Glock sancionado 5 p
I cant speek spanish though
No hay aun clasi oficial, pero me cuentan q McLaren pasara la verificación, aunque han tenido q exprimir bien el coche. Glock sancionado 5 p
I cant speek spanish though
Google translate says he now saying they have unofficially passed, had to squeeze.
Wonder if there was any substance in it.
QUOTE (Mika Mika @ Aug 28 2010, 18:37)
On the same twitter feed he now says:-
No hay aun clasi oficial, pero me cuentan q McLaren pasara la verificación, aunque han tenido q exprimir bien el coche. Glock sancionado 5 p
I cant speek spanish though
No hay aun clasi oficial, pero me cuentan q McLaren pasara la verificación, aunque han tenido q exprimir bien el coche. Glock sancionado 5 p
I cant speek spanish though
I'm think it says that McLaren managed to squeeze the fuel out, but Glock was penalized 5 places.
But I'm not sure.
QUOTE (OwenC93 @ Aug 28 2010, 18:41)
I'm think it says that McLaren managed to squeeze the fuel out, but Glock was penalized 5 places.
But I'm not sure.
But I'm not sure.
yes
QUOTE (BigCHrome @ Aug 28 2010, 16:43)
They were much quicker than RBR on the straights of Istanbul though so you cannot really compare the 2 races.
Button is stronger in the race compared to Lewis? I am not sure aboot that
Button is stronger in the race compared to Lewis? I am not sure aboot that
most races there race pace is close i was getting at that he is not a qualifying but his race pace is just as good as lewis
QUOTE (Mika Mika @ Aug 28 2010, 19:37)
On the same twitter feed he now says:-
No hay aun clasi oficial, pero me cuentan q McLaren pasara la verificación, aunque han tenido q exprimir bien el coche. Glock sancionado 5 p
I cant speek spanish though
No hay aun clasi oficial, pero me cuentan q McLaren pasara la verificación, aunque han tenido q exprimir bien el coche. Glock sancionado 5 p
I cant speek spanish though
Thanks mate
QUOTE (zack1994 @ Aug 28 2010, 18:43)
most races there race pace is close i was getting at that he is not a qualifying but his race pace is just as good as lewis
Jenson has a habit of getting caught up in the pack and can never catch up. But he hasn't been complaining, he's just a not as quick as Lewis round Spa so he might have a chance.
QUOTE (Dunder @ Aug 28 2010, 08:04)
He was 0.5 slower than Vettel in S2 and 0.3 slower than Webber.
The 0.3 lost is S1 was compared to his own first run.
The 0.3 lost is S1 was compared to his own first run.
Hungary was Spa's second sector threefold.
"I spoke with Mark Webber after the qualifying session and he seemed to be more impressed with Lewis Hamilton’s improvement of four tenths of a second at the end of the session when the track was wet, than he was with his own pole position. Asking engineers from other teams they share that sense of wonder at Hamilton’s final lap."
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/hami...dge-in-the-wet/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/hami...dge-in-the-wet/
QUOTE (bond @ Aug 28 2010, 19:38)
"I spoke with Mark Webber after the qualifying session and he seemed to be more impressed with Lewis Hamilton’s improvement of four tenths of a second at the end of the session when the track was wet, than he was with his own pole position. Asking engineers from other teams they share that sense of wonder at Hamilton’s final lap."
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/hami...dge-in-the-wet/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/hami...dge-in-the-wet/
Maybe Mclaren are running their own version of wet set-up.
QUOTE (femi @ Aug 28 2010, 19:51)
Maybe Mclaren are running their own version of wet set-up.
Well apparently Alonso's reason for being so slow was because he had a wet setup.
QUOTE (bond @ Aug 28 2010, 19:38)
"I spoke with Mark Webber after the qualifying session and he seemed to be more impressed with Lewis Hamilton’s improvement of four tenths of a second at the end of the session when the track was wet, than he was with his own pole position. Asking engineers from other teams they share that sense of wonder at Hamilton’s final lap."
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/hami...dge-in-the-wet/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/08/hami...dge-in-the-wet/
Looks like I'm in a minority of 1 with view that the simple explanation is that he screwed up his first Q3 lap....
QUOTE (jjcale @ Aug 28 2010, 21:02)
Looks like I'm in a minority of 1 with the simple explanation is that he screwed up his first Q3 lap....
Both McLaren drivers lost about 4 tenths in S1 compared to their first lap, to then win 7 tenths back in the remainder of the lap.
QUOTE (OwenC93 @ Aug 28 2010, 18:54)
Well apparently Alonso's reason for being so slow was because he had a wet setup.
Only his fanboys say that. Alonso nor Ferrari mentioned anything that could point even slightly in that direction
QUOTE (jjcale @ Aug 28 2010, 20:02)
Looks like I'm in a minority of 1 with the simple explanation is that he screwed up his first Q3 lap....
Lewis agrees with you on that one. Whitmarsh said something about used set of softs as well.
QUOTE (jjcale @ Aug 28 2010, 20:02)
Looks like I'm in a minority of 1 with the simple explanation is that he screwed up his first Q3 lap....
I agree with you. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I could have sworn Lewis mentioned as much?
QUOTE (F.M. @ Aug 28 2010, 21:05)
Only his fanboys say that. Alonso nor Ferrari mentioned anything that could point even slightly in that direction
Alonso did mention that he would see in the race if the decisions he made, made sense, implying there is something adjusted. Also, the pictures show he runs a different rear wing than Massa.
Anyway, i thought this was the mp4-25 thread and not the lets-bash-alonso-fans thread.
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