QUOTE (BigCHrome @ Aug 1 2010, 14:02) 
McLaren... fail
Lewis just went from being favorite for the WDC to being 4th favorite.
Vettel was favourite.Lewis just went from being favorite for the WDC to being 4th favorite.
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QUOTE (McLrnF1 @ Aug 1 2010, 14:57)
Doesn't look good any more now for both Championship 
I think it's impossible to win the championship this year, WDC or WCC, Red Bull is just too good. That's reality.
Look at the pace of RB, this is ridiculous ...
QUOTE (BigCHrome @ Aug 1 2010, 13:02)
McLaren... fail
Lewis just went from being favorite for the WDC to being 4th favorite.
Lewis just went from being favorite for the WDC to being 4th favorite.
this is worse than Barcelona
This was McLarens big defeat
now only a miracle could help for a title.
Lots of talk about our car being slower but more reliable this season..
QUOTE (hulmerist @ Aug 1 2010, 13:52)
think of it as better to have bad luck when you're not winning
Well yeah but it wasn't like Hamilton was low down the order. With Vettel's penalty he probably lost a podium.
If it was Button who is down in the order then you could say that.
QUOTE (MP4-25 @ Aug 1 2010, 14:02)
I said POSSIBLE. Vettel may have come out behind Hamilton, and at the time I wrote that I thought Webber would be 4th or so after the stop.
what does back z back world champions mean?
I hope now we the tram is considered in a position where we don't have much to lose anymore, and go the agressive way on developement, and try more radical solutions. I'm hoping for a major revamp of the rear-end of the car
Mclaren are failing Hamilton big time....think of how many points he would have without the two failures now.... we arent that reliable....and not fast either
I think McLaren should forget about copying flexi wings and all that crap and instead do their own thing. That is what they did in 2008 and it worked perfectly.
QUOTE (bauss @ Aug 1 2010, 15:11)
Mclaren are failing Hamilton big time....think of how many points he would have without the two failures now.... we arent that reliable....and not fast either
Sadly, yes ...
QUOTE (BigCHrome @ Aug 1 2010, 14:11)
I think McLaren should forget about copying flexi wings and all that crap and instead do their own thing. That is what they did in 2008 and it worked perfectly.
It's unquestionably faster, so there's no reason not to do it.
A bad day for mclaren - such an opportunity lost.
But realistically one failure isn't the end of the world and was pretty inevitable over the length of the season.
I just hope in the break when they turn the computers an emails off that the staff are at home with really fast laptops and gmail accounts.
swingmeter at medium/low here.
But realistically one failure isn't the end of the world and was pretty inevitable over the length of the season.
I just hope in the break when they turn the computers an emails off that the staff are at home with really fast laptops and gmail accounts.
swingmeter at medium/low here.
To people more knowledgable of the rules than me: Do the regs allow a team to bring a whole, brand new car during a single season? I remember before Ferrari contined to run an older car for the first 2-3 races and then bring a new one for the rest of the season.
If so do you think they should bring a brand new car designed around the blown diffuser (as well as f duct of course)? Because at the moment our car just doesnt look anyway near optimised for the blown diffuser as the Redbulls are.
If so do you think they should bring a brand new car designed around the blown diffuser (as well as f duct of course)? Because at the moment our car just doesnt look anyway near optimised for the blown diffuser as the Redbulls are.
That's racing guys... it happens.
fuking depressing 
QUOTE (ShadowMountain @ Aug 1 2010, 08:16)
To people more knowledgable of the rules than me: Do the regs allow a team to bring a whole, brand new car during a single season? I remember before Ferrari contined to run an older car for the first 2-3 races and then bring a new one for the rest of the season.
If so do you think they should bring a brand new car designed around the blown diffuser (as well as f duct of course)? Because at the moment our car just doesnt look anyway near optimised for the blown diffuser as the Redbulls are.
If so do you think they should bring a brand new car designed around the blown diffuser (as well as f duct of course)? Because at the moment our car just doesnt look anyway near optimised for the blown diffuser as the Redbulls are.
Even if we could, it's too late. It would be so expensive.
shit happens, relax you manic depressive people.
The solution is pretty simple. We need steal one of their top guys, and pay him whatever he wants. Everyone is prostitute for the right price, lets pay.
The solution is pretty simple. We need steal one of their top guys, and pay him whatever he wants. Everyone is prostitute for the right price, lets pay.
QUOTE (bauss @ Aug 1 2010, 13:11)
Mclaren are failing Hamilton big time....think of how many points he would have without the two failures now.... we arent that reliable....and not fast either
At least 40pt. now
QUOTE (Kerch @ Aug 1 2010, 09:14)
It's unquestionably faster, so there's no reason not to do it.
It is faster for the RBR. Who knows if it will be faster for McLaren. Similar to 2008, McLaren did their own thing, they didn't try to copy the shark fin or the hole in the nose.
QUOTE (ShadowMountain @ Aug 1 2010, 09:16)
To people more knowledgable of the rules than me: Do the regs allow a team to bring a whole, brand new car during a single season? I remember before Ferrari contined to run an older car for the first 2-3 races and then bring a new one for the rest of the season.
If so do you think they should bring a brand new car designed around the blown diffuser (as well as f duct of course)? Because at the moment our car just doesnt look anyway near optimised for the blown diffuser as the Redbulls are.
If so do you think they should bring a brand new car designed around the blown diffuser (as well as f duct of course)? Because at the moment our car just doesnt look anyway near optimised for the blown diffuser as the Redbulls are.
I don't think it is possible, as the chassis is homolagated, but even if it was possible it wouldn't be viable as it would take a very long time and McLaren would lose even more points during the races where they have to use the old car without any updates.
Button lapped 
QUOTE (fed up @ Aug 1 2010, 14:44)
Button lapped
Macca got beaten badly
Lewis DNF
Button cr*p weekend
Was expected. Disappointing race.
Man this is really really sad 
Now we are in trouble.
We cant "damage limit" on weekends anymore.
We need a massive effort from the team to find some pace in the car, so Lewis and or Jenson can attack for the wins we need to win this WDC.
We cant "damage limit" on weekends anymore.
We need a massive effort from the team to find some pace in the car, so Lewis and or Jenson can attack for the wins we need to win this WDC.
QUOTE (mkay @ Aug 1 2010, 09:47)
Was expected. Disappointing race.
Lewis could've been 3rd if it wasn't for the damn gearbox
It's really sad to see a team with the best drivers having such a cr*ppy car (relative to the leaders).
Thank you McLaren for this great performance before long summer break.
A 2nd in Spain and a 3rd / 4th in Hungary. Lewis has 2 DNF to 1 each of Webber and Alonso.
I really hope Mclaren do the magic we all want to see, but the reality is that 2010 is going to be a RBR / Ferrari fight in the end.
I really hope Mclaren do the magic we all want to see, but the reality is that 2010 is going to be a RBR / Ferrari fight in the end.
QUOTE (Hotwheels @ Aug 1 2010, 08:55)
A 2nd in Spain and a 3rd / 4th in Hungary. Lewis has 2 DNF to 1 each of Webber and Alonso.
I really hope Mclaren do the magic we all want to see, but the reality is that 2010 is going to be a RBR / Ferrari fight in the end.
I really hope Mclaren do the magic we all want to see, but the reality is that 2010 is going to be a RBR / Ferrari fight in the end.
And webber and Alonso were low down the order when they DNFed. Lewis was in place for a podium or close to the podium for both.
Come on fellas there is still only one win separating the top five drivers and if we had to fail at one race this looks like it might be the one to choose.
Let's just get some pace dialled in and get back on with proving who can develop best.
Let's just get some pace dialled in and get back on with proving who can develop best.
A bad weekend. Hamilton could, should got 3rd, that's the forth podium the team lost him.
We need a massive jump in Spa. If not its time to end the sesaon and start work for 2011.
We need a massive jump in Spa. If not its time to end the sesaon and start work for 2011.
QUOTE (Hotwheels @ Aug 1 2010, 09:55)
A 2nd in Spain and a 3rd / 4th in Hungary. Lewis has 2 DNF to 1 each of Webber and Alonso.
I really hope Mclaren do the magic we all want to see, but the reality is that 2010 is going to be a RBR / Ferrari fight in the end.
I really hope Mclaren do the magic we all want to see, but the reality is that 2010 is going to be a RBR / Ferrari fight in the end.
McLaren isn't really that slow compared to Ferrari. Lewis was around .2s-.3s slower compared Ferrari on a track that was really bad for us. The problem is RBR.....And qualifying
A tough day for us Macca fans... but have faith! We'll fight back!
QUOTE (mkay @ Aug 1 2010, 14:51)
It's really sad to see a team with the best drivers having such a cr*ppy car (relative to the leaders).
QUOTE (mkay @ Aug 1 2010, 13:51)
It's really sad to see a team with the best drivers having such a cr*ppy car (relative to the leaders).
If you see how brainless some other drivers (Vettel) in superior cars drive ....
summa summarum, Lewis is too strong & good to win the WDC..
Button lapped. I'm sure Whitmarsh will say that he had those couple of tenths to not have been lapped in that car
QUOTE (Bonaventura @ Aug 1 2010, 15:46)
Macca got beaten badly
Lewis DNF
Button cr*p weekend
Lewis DNF
Button cr*p weekend
Yes, sadly so. Hamilton was again doing a great job limiting the damage to a minimum, but with his second mechanical failure the damage is immense in the championship.
McLaren urgently needs to improve the car; hopefully the engineers will find some inspiration and fresh ideas during the break.
The commentators on Flemish TV mentioned just how much the front wings moved on the RB and Ferrari during the race, so more neutral observers pretty much agree with Whitmarsh regarding this.
I really hope McLaren get a grip on every major issue by Spa. They have, or otherwise, they are cooked.
- Flexi-wings
- EBD (and everything that comes with it --> Floor, rear wing, rear suspension arrangement?)
- Stiff suspension
- Flexi-wings
- EBD (and everything that comes with it --> Floor, rear wing, rear suspension arrangement?)
- Stiff suspension
QUOTE (velgajski1 @ Aug 1 2010, 13:50)
McLaren - slow and unreliable.
This is the big problem. To be slower than your immediate competitors but benefit from great reliability
. To be faster than your immediate competitors but be a little unreliable . To be both slower than your immediate competitiors and have reliability issues 
.The only consolation is that in race trim, (heavy fuel) we weren't far off the Ferrari's paces
.
Hamilton was faster then the Ferrari in the race, I was suprised to see that.
QUOTE (alg7_munif @ Aug 1 2010, 07:08)
Hamilton was faster then the Ferrari in the race, I was suprised to see that.
Not sure about that. He seemed a bit off Alonso but about on the same pace Massa.
Heartbreaking though.
QUOTE (Obi Offiah @ Aug 1 2010, 15:06)
This is the big problem. To be slower than your immediate competitors but benefit from great reliability . To be faster than your immediate competitors but be a little unreliable . To be both slower than your immediate competitiors and have reliability issues .
The only consolation is that in race trim, (heavy fuel) we weren't far off the Ferrari's paces.
. To be faster than your immediate competitors but be a little unreliable . To be both slower than your immediate competitiors and have reliability issues .The only consolation is that in race trim, (heavy fuel) we weren't far off the Ferrari's paces
.Championship is now down to wheter RBR continue to make mistakes. They sorted their reliability, they're fast, so now its all in their hands.
I think its fairly reasonable to conclude that we're out of WCC fight, WDC is only thing we can win now and this will be very, very tough.
I think that 1 thing that McLaren should probably look into is the Mercedes airbox. It seems like it should in theory allow a lot more air to hit the rear wing. A legal solution that should improve the car.
Spa should be better for McLaren though. Lewis' career progression seems to not allow him to have 2 good races on the same track in consecutive years and last year he had a pointless Belgian GP. Same with Monza.
Spa should be better for McLaren though. Lewis' career progression seems to not allow him to have 2 good races on the same track in consecutive years and last year he had a pointless Belgian GP. Same with Monza.
QUOTE (alg7_munif @ Aug 1 2010, 14:08)
Hamilton was faster then the Ferrari in the race, I was suprised to see that.
Yes Hamilton was,
but sadly, the Mp4-25 not
One bad race is not a problem. I am concerned though that Webber won and Alonso was second. Alonso is strong under pressure and Webber seems to win the team battle. That is not good vettel would be easier to beat for Lewis., as Vettel is unable to overtake in the race. McLaren needs a strong comeback in Spa.
Another thing to consider guys. If Lewis had a gearbox problem that requires it to be changed at Spa.............................. Yes you know what I'm thinking .
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Not McLaren's best weekend of all time, was it? Lewis did the best he could but the car is not fast enough and now there are reliability problems to contend with as well. Not good, not good at all. 
Lewis did the best he could but the car is not fast enough and now there are reliability problems to contend with as well. Not good, not good at all.
Reliability has been a plus for Macca up to now. ( Lewis dnf in Spain due to wheel nut not tight enough I believe) But what now if we haven't even got that advantage. Hopefully Lewis will look forward and keep faith in the team.
QUOTE (Obi Offiah @ Aug 1 2010, 14:18)
Another thing to consider guys. If Lewis had a gearbox problem that requires it to be changed at Spa.............................. Yes you know what I'm thinking .
.He didn't finish, so that's a free change I believe?
QUOTE (Obi Offiah @ Aug 1 2010, 10:18)
Another thing to consider guys. If Lewis had a gearbox problem that requires it to be changed at Spa.............................. Yes you know what I'm thinking .
.I believe if you have a gearbox problem you can change it without penalty. I don't remember Alonso having a penalty after Malaysia.
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