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i always thought since tomabaiz left we were lacking in Aero department. Ferrari always had the upper hand for aerodynamics. Mclaren seem to be good at better mechanical grippy cars. But maybe they know this???? and it be solved in the MP425
QUOTE (mstar @ Jan 28 2010, 12:05) 
i always thought since tomabaiz left we were lacking in Aero department. Ferrari always had the upper hand for aerodynamics. Mclaren seem to be good at better mechanical grippy cars. But maybe they know this???? and it be solved in the MP425
yea,
I expect a fatter car tmrw actually...long as its faster I guess
QUOTE (RoutariEnjinu @ Jan 28 2010, 09:24)
OOOO Jensons iPhone also has multiple keyboards. I wonder if he has KANA input for his GF.
Emoji is my bet.
I'm quite impressed with this twitter feed from McMerc at the moment. it's what we were hoping to get from USF1 but which hasn't quite materialised. I think there's a stark contrast between the rather stilted and difficult stuff being put out by USF1 and the rather more natural way TheFifthDriver is feeding stuff out.
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Jan 28 2010, 11:17)
Emoji is my bet.
I'm quite impressed with this twitter feed from McMerc at the moment. it's what we were hoping to get from USF1 but which hasn't quite materialised. I think there's a stark contrast between the rather stilted and difficult stuff being put out by USF1 and the rather more natural way TheFifthDriver is feeding stuff out.
I'm quite impressed with this twitter feed from McMerc at the moment. it's what we were hoping to get from USF1 but which hasn't quite materialised. I think there's a stark contrast between the rather stilted and difficult stuff being put out by USF1 and the rather more natural way TheFifthDriver is feeding stuff out.
Fifth Driver is playing a storm in general (even if some of his images are too cryptic).
21 hours to launch!!!!!!!
I´m nervous, on Monday will be on Valencia, Circuito Ricardo Tormo,
Regards
I´m nervous, on Monday will be on Valencia, Circuito Ricardo Tormo,
Regards
Ferrari has taken the best of brawn and red bull and stitched it together for 2010. I'd say that is a safe bet since those were the best two cars last year.
Let's see if we take the final iteration of the 25 and evolve it further or incorporate some of the proven solutions!
Can't wait!
Let's see if we take the final iteration of the 25 and evolve it further or incorporate some of the proven solutions!
Can't wait!
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Jan 28 2010, 16:11)
Ferrari has taken the best of brawn and red bull and stitched it together for 2010. I'd say that is a safe bet since those were the best two cars last year.
Let's see if we take the final iteration of the 25 and evolve it further or incorporate some of the proven solutions!
Can't wait!
Let's see if we take the final iteration of the 25 and evolve it further or incorporate some of the proven solutions!
Can't wait!
Check out the Williams and you can see some similar 'trends' going on...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81104
QUOTE (mstar @ Jan 28 2010, 06:05)
i always thought since tomabaiz left we were lacking in Aero department. Ferrari always had the upper hand for aerodynamics. Mclaren seem to be good at better mechanical grippy cars. But maybe they know this???? and it be solved in the MP425
Thats the general conception, although a bit oversimplified.
I'm sure both teams realize their weaknesses to each other and work to improve on them.
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Jan 28 2010, 11:11)
Ferrari has taken the best of brawn and red bull and stitched it together for 2010. I'd say that is a safe bet since those were the best two cars last year.
Let's see if we take the final iteration of the 25 and evolve it further or incorporate some of the proven solutions!
Can't wait!
Let's see if we take the final iteration of the 25 and evolve it further or incorporate some of the proven solutions!
Can't wait!
I cant, either.
Whitmarsh said last year that during the development of the MP4-24, they stopped trying to develop their own ideas and started trying out concepts that they got from the other cars, which is where they started making big gains.
Not sure if they're gonna go down this sort of route again or will try and have faith in their own vision. I'm sure it'll have a lot of similarities to their 2009 car, though, seeing that they thought it important to develop the 2009 car to the end.
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 28 2010, 03:42)
And because it's available on other networks, O2's share of the mobile network market will start to decrease.
May not be a bad thing- less network overloading= better data speeds for me when I get an iPhone on renewing my 02 contract shortly ;)
QUOTE (Owen @ Jan 28 2010, 11:15)
Check out the Williams and you can see some similar 'trends' going on...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81104
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81104
Ooooh, from what little I can see on my phone that looks pure and of season red bull, albeit with a beginning of season nose! Nice...
I want to take a better look at it in the evening.
Judging by Ferrari's huge traffic levels this morning, McLaren web monkeys must be worried...
so what do we expect from tomorrows car. Fat and short or long and slim. High nose and complex rear, is the obvious i quess, but whether it will be as long as the ferrari im not sure
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 28 2010, 19:31)
so what do we expect from tomorrows car. Fat and short or long and slim. High nose and complex rear, is the obvious i quess, but whether it will be as long as the ferrari im not sure
I wont be surprised if its fat and long
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 28 2010, 18:31)
so what do we expect from tomorrows car. Fat and short or long and slim. High nose and complex rear, is the obvious i quess, but whether it will be as long as the ferrari im not sure
Anything less than sex on wheels and i'll be massively disappointed!
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 28 2010, 18:31)
so what do we expect from tomorrows car. Fat and short or long and slim. High nose and complex rear, is the obvious i quess, but whether it will be as long as the ferrari im not sure
A bit chunkier than the Ferrari.
QUOTE (P123 @ Jan 28 2010, 18:38)
A bit chunkier than the Ferrari.
Chunkier and shorter wheel base.
MP4-25 Link for the live online streaming of the moment the MP4-25 is unveiled on tomorrow at 11:00 GMT.
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 28 2010, 13:55)
MP4-25 Link for the live online streaming of the moment the MP4-25 is unveiled on tomorrow at 11:00 GMT.
16 hours to go, and there's nothing to do here at work, ughhh... what an unbearable wait
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QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 28 2010, 18:55)
MP4-25 Link for the live online streaming of the moment the MP4-25 is unveiled on tomorrow at 11:00 GMT.
i cant wait for the mp4/25 tomo,hope shes a beauty
p.s (whats with all the iphone stuff,its rubbish)
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Jan 28 2010, 18:58)
16 hours to go, and there's nothing to do here at work, ughhh... what an unbearable wait .
.Don't worry it'll be worth it ;)
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 28 2010, 19:55)
MP4-25 Link for the live online streaming of the moment the MP4-25 is unveiled on tomorrow at 11:00 GMT.
That is 12 Paris / Berlin ... which makes it the perfect moment to celebrate the new car with some booze.
To all you fellow McLaren Fans out there - I will get myself a decent bottle of Mumm Cordon Rouge and will watch the stream clad with Union Jack briefs, a McLaren hat, a Lewis Hamilton T Shirt and when the show is over I will be convincingly drunk and will sing quite obscene war songs invoking the defeat of any other team. And no - no webcam, sorry lads.
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 28 2010, 20:00)
Don't worry it'll be worth it ;)
if you say so
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 28 2010, 15:55)
MP4-25 Link for the live online streaming of the moment the MP4-25 is unveiled on tomorrow at 11:00 GMT.
On the link there's a shadow of what the car might look like. The engine cover is gonna be a little bigger (just like the Ferrari - due to the fuel tank size) and the nose seems to start higher with a kink on the middle, just like the RB5. But still no clues regarding sidepods, front and read wings, suspension assembly, exhaust system and width of the nose.
QUOTE (H0R @ Jan 28 2010, 20:02)
That is 12 Paris / Berlin ... which makes it the perfect moment to celebrate the new car with some booze.
To all you fellow McLaren Fans out there - I will get myself a decent bottle of Mumm Cordon Rouge and will watch the stream clad with Union Jack briefs, a McLaren hat, a Lewis Hamilton T Shirt and when the show is over I will be convincingly drunk and will sing quite obscene war songs invoking the defeat of any other team. And no - no webcam, sorry lads.
To all you fellow McLaren Fans out there - I will get myself a decent bottle of Mumm Cordon Rouge and will watch the stream clad with Union Jack briefs, a McLaren hat, a Lewis Hamilton T Shirt and when the show is over I will be convincingly drunk and will sing quite obscene war songs invoking the defeat of any other team. And no - no webcam, sorry lads.
so I wish you 100 percent quality stream with no interruption
QUOTE (rodlamas @ Jan 28 2010, 20:09)
On the link there's a shadow of what the car might look like. The engine cover is gonna be a little bigger (just like the Ferrari - due to the fuel tank size) and the nose seems to start higher with a kink on the middle, just like the RB5. But still no clues regarding sidepods, front and read wings, suspension assembly, exhaust system and width of the nose.
I pulled that image into Photoshop and adjusted the levels all the way until you could see some of the sidpods, front wing end plate etc and discovered the image is the MP4/24 with Santander photoshoped out of the roll hoop/engine cover
thats the 24 rodlamas, you can tell by the wheel covers 
I think this car will surprise a few of us, not in bad ways but not in the ways were expecting. Im sooo looking forward to this momment ive been counting down since the chequered flag flew in abu dhabi!
I think this car will surprise a few of us, not in bad ways but not in the ways were expecting. Im sooo looking forward to this momment ive been counting down since the chequered flag flew in abu dhabi!
It's a bit like waiting for Christmas Eve, as I was a child.
I've got some Mumm left from a few nights ago, I made sure not to use all of it up in the same go ^^
QUOTE (Nobody @ Jan 28 2010, 02:59)
I dunno about everyone else, but I really want to see McLaren beat MercGP this coming season - and every one that follows.
The rivalry with Ferrari is massive, but i reckon we got ourselves a very close second.
From great allies to bitter rivals - the two are not far apart.
The rivalry with Ferrari is massive, but i reckon we got ourselves a very close second.
From great allies to bitter rivals - the two are not far apart.
McLaren and Mercedes are such bitter rivals, that Whitmarsh is a guest at the Mercedes launch and McLaren is using their engines. I'm not seeing any more bitterness here than between McLaren and Force India.
As for McLarens aero, the MP4/23 was fast out of the box and won right away. Other than that though, Mclaren has been lagging in aero - compared to Ferrari - since the early Newey years (till 2001, say) and with exception of the 2005 car. Let's hope it will be good aero this year.
QUOTE (Wouter @ Jan 28 2010, 19:50)
McLaren and Mercedes are such bitter rivals, that Whitmarsh is a guest at the Mercedes launch and McLaren is using their engines. I'm not seeing any more bitterness here than between McLaren and Force India.
As for McLarens aero, the MP4/23 was fast out of the box and won right away. Other than that though, Mclaren has been lagging in aero - compared to Ferrari - since the early Newey years (till 2001, say) and with exception of the 2005 car. Let's hope it will be good aero this year.
As for McLarens aero, the MP4/23 was fast out of the box and won right away. Other than that though, Mclaren has been lagging in aero - compared to Ferrari - since the early Newey years (till 2001, say) and with exception of the 2005 car. Let's hope it will be good aero this year.
even then, Massa made a mistake and Raikkonen was too far down to challenge at Australia 08
McLaren have to come up with something truly special
well i cant wait, i exspect raised nose like all, shorter wheelbase then ferrari because that looks really long, an extreme diffuser, and tightly packaged rear. It will be interesting to see if they launch with the last version, of last years frontwings. To see if that is what they built the whole chassis around. Also, will they change frontsuspension, back to the old type, were steering arm and wishbone is combined, looks like williams have followed mclaren,
Andy what is the benefit of separating, that the driver has better feel or
Andy what is the benefit of separating, that the driver has better feel or
QUOTE (craftverk @ Jan 28 2010, 21:00)
even then, Massa made a mistake and Raikkonen was too far down to challenge at Australia 08
The fact that Hamilton and Kovalainen were at the front - all the way even - and Raikkonen was quite far down shows that the base of the Mp4/23 wasn't bad at all. A very good car. Hamilton could stay quite close to Raikkonen at Spa in the dry, which indicates the aero was nearly as good as the Ferrari one at that point.
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 28 2010, 20:31)
so what do we expect from tomorrows car. Fat and short or long and slim. High nose and complex rear, is the obvious i quess, but whether it will be as long as the ferrari im not sure
I expect a beast, a predator, a predaciously fast one.
Something epic I hope as I'll be there!
QUOTE (Wouter @ Jan 28 2010, 20:46)
The fact that Hamilton and Kovalainen were at the front - all the way even - and Raikkonen was quite far down shows that the base of the Mp4/23 wasn't bad at all. A very good car. Hamilton could stay quite close to Raikkonen at Spa in the dry, which indicates the aero was nearly as good as the Ferrari one at that point.
McLaren were getting murdered by Ferrari in early 2008, Australia was a one off, if Ferrari didn't run into problems/mistakes I think they would've taken it like the year before. I found Spa quite surprising, as the gap between Hamilton and Raikkonen was over 5 seconds at one point, I think that's probably due to the McLaren sliding around too much on the softer tyre while running lower downforce while with Raikkonen it was the opposite with a higher downforce set up, Hamilton was quick on the straights but not in the middle sector.
I'm not calling it bad, it's just that Ferrari generally seem better at making base aero concepts, something McLaren need to address. But I am sure they know that better than anybody, well I should think so
Jenson and Lewis "it will work". So says Button Snr.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/videos/interview...ohn-button_281/
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/videos/interview...ohn-button_281/
QUOTE (Adie @ Jan 28 2010, 20:56)
Something epic I hope as I'll be there!
Take an iphone with you. Pretty please.
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 28 2010, 20:03)
well i cant wait, i exspect raised nose like all, shorter wheelbase then ferrari because that looks really long, an extreme diffuser, and tightly packaged rear. It will be interesting to see if they launch with the last version, of last years frontwings. To see if that is what they built the whole chassis around. Also, will they change frontsuspension, back to the old type, were steering arm and wishbone is combined, looks like williams have followed mclaren,
Andy what is the benefit of separating, that the driver has better feel or
Andy what is the benefit of separating, that the driver has better feel or
The wheelbase is not actually that much longer than you'd think: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=4101044
QUOTE (ATM_Andy @ Jan 28 2010, 19:00)
Don't worry it'll be worth it ;)
Fwap Fwap Fwap!
Tminus 13hours 30minutes. 
QUOTE (Owen @ Jan 28 2010, 21:14)
Take an iphone with you. Pretty please.
I will be! Twitter - @F1TailPipe if you want to follow my Tweets tomorrow sir!
QUOTE (Adie @ Jan 28 2010, 21:30)
I will be! Twitter - @F1TailPipe if you want to follow my Tweets tomorrow sir!
wicked
QUOTE (NeilMick @ Jan 28 2010, 22:18)
The wheelbase is not actually that much longer than you'd think: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=4101044
that is a rough estimate with huge error margain when you compare like that, i dont know how much, but to me and many other it looks really long, but i dont know
QUOTE (Adie @ Jan 28 2010, 16:30)
I will be! Twitter - @F1TailPipe if you want to follow my Tweets tomorrow sir!
I shall, in earnest!
QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 28 2010, 16:32)
that is a rough estimate with huge error margain when you compare like that, i dont know how much, but to me and many other it looks really long, but i dont know
actually the error margin is pretty small, as you can scale those photos easily with respect to the size of constants, such as the diameter of the rear wheel.
QUOTE (craftverk @ Jan 28 2010, 21:59)
McLaren were getting murdered by Ferrari in early 2008, Australia was a one off, if Ferrari didn't run into problems/mistakes I think they would've taken it like the year before.
That's bit overstated I think, Mclaren was competitive with Ferrari from Turkey on (not only Hamilton, but Kovalainen too were very fast at Turkey). I don't think Mclaren got the best out of the car in the races between Australia and Turkey - except for Barcelona maybe - much like Ferrari didn't realise their potential in Melbourne. Ferrari made lots of mistakes during 2008, but then so did Mclaren.
QUOTE (The Big Guns @ Jan 28 2010, 22:34)
actually the error margin is pretty small, as you can scale those photos easily with respect to the size of constants, such as the diameter of the rear wheel.
well i know the wheels are the constant, but still the error margain is there, no matter
here is another pic, an estimated quess, 15-20 cm longer, which is quite a lot
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uplo..._compared_t.jpg
QUOTE (Adie @ Jan 28 2010, 22:30)
I will be! Twitter - @F1TailPipe if you want to follow my Tweets tomorrow sir!
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The timetable:
11:00 Unveiling of the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-25 with Jenson and Lewis
11:30 On-stage interviews with Vodafone McLaren Mercedes management Martin Whitmarsh, Jonathan Neale & Paddy Lowe
12:00 On-stage interviews with Jenson and Lewis
http://f1tailpipe.com/2010/01/f1tailpipe-a...unch-on-friday/
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11:00 Unveiling of the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-25 with Jenson and Lewis
11:30 On-stage interviews with Vodafone McLaren Mercedes management Martin Whitmarsh, Jonathan Neale & Paddy Lowe
12:00 On-stage interviews with Jenson and Lewis
http://f1tailpipe.com/2010/01/f1tailpipe-a...unch-on-friday/
Hope you don't mind F1TailPipe
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