not sure theres any real clash at all, mercedes are using silver where as mclaren are using chrome. they look far from the same especially under the camera.
and as is pointed above, orange would look hideous with red, and Orange being a competitor to Vodaphone means its a definite no go. black would be the only suitable colour to go with.
personally i love how the car looks now, its by far the sexiest car,m the chrome finish sets it apart from the rest.
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Yeh, McLaren = Chrome and Rocket Red
Mercedes = Silver and Turqouise
There is enough of a difference IMO.
Mercedes = Silver and Turqouise
There is enough of a difference IMO.
QUOTE (Pingu Pi @ Jan 25 2010, 20:34) 
not sure theres any real clash at all, mercedes are using silver where as mclaren are using chrome. they look far from the same especially under the camera.
and as is pointed above, orange would look hideous with red, and Orange being a competitor to Vodaphone means its a definite no go. black would be the only suitable colour to go with.
personally i love how the car looks now, its by far the sexiest car,m the chrome finish sets it apart from the rest.
and as is pointed above, orange would look hideous with red, and Orange being a competitor to Vodaphone means its a definite no go. black would be the only suitable colour to go with.
personally i love how the car looks now, its by far the sexiest car,m the chrome finish sets it apart from the rest.
I think white would look good as well. It won't happen thought because it would remind people of marlboro
im surprised its got the thing around the edge, i guess its to keep the foot on the pedal when they go over bumps and g forces aswell
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Jan 26 2010, 09:06)
I think white would look good as well. It won't happen thought because it would remind people of marlboro
Why would that be the case when the current livery doesn't remind people of the West livery even though the layout is almost indentical to the current car.
The red and white mock up posted a few weeks ago looked amazing.
Seeing Hamiltons helmet poking out of a red and white car would be incredibly nostalgic.
QUOTE (johnmhinds @ Jan 26 2010, 09:49)
Seeing Hamiltons helmet poking out of a red and white car would be incredibly nostalgic.
An orange car would be more nostalgic.
QUOTE (rodlamas @ Jan 25 2010, 17:16)
Not suprised at all - Mclaren and Mercedes are still partners.
I would expect to see Mercedes representative/s at Mclarens launch as well.
QUOTE (johnmhinds @ Jan 26 2010, 06:49)
Why would that be the case when the current livery doesn't remind people of the West livery even though the layout is almost indentical to the current car.
The red and white mock up posted a few weeks ago looked amazing.
Seeing Hamiltons helmet poking out of a red and white car would be incredibly nostalgic.
The red and white mock up posted a few weeks ago looked amazing.
Seeing Hamiltons helmet poking out of a red and white car would be incredibly nostalgic.
Well the difference is that West isn't sponsoring our biggest rival at the moment
QUOTE (Rob @ Jan 26 2010, 07:21)
An orange car would be more nostalgic.
I doubt many people on this forum have seen those orange Mclarens in real competition
QUOTE (r4mses @ Jan 24 2010, 20:01)
nice! finally we get a decent pic of the invisible engine cover.
The Schumi comeback, the politics, crashgate, out of all of them the best debacle of 09 on these forums was the invisible engine cover!
I cant wait for the McLaren launch. Has there been any indication of the livery at all? With the launch at title sponsor Vodafones HQ there has to be a fair bit of red on there, maybe more than in the past. But will they lose the silver?! I kind of hope they do. This is the first time since 97 that McLaren have had major engine partner deal change. Even though its still the same engine the 'special' relationship is over. Mercedes will want their works team to beat McLaren so a split allegience wouldnt make sense.
Im hoping for red and white too. Dare we dream CHEVRON!?
No way will the car be Orange - the Vodafone connection would simply not allow it.
QUOTE (teejay @ Jan 26 2010, 12:26)
No way will the car be Orange - the Vodafone connection would simply not allow it.
You cannot be too simplistic about it.
The paint job is a complex thing that directly reflects the content/dissatisfied sponsors.
I am not expecting that Mclaren will turn the direction just because Mercedes used silver as base colour.
Yet it is pbvious that Vodafone or who ever would want to maximise the impact the biggest, meaning lots of talks are necessary for change...
QUOTE (Tenmantaylor @ Jan 26 2010, 11:17)
The Schumi comeback, the politics, crashgate, out of all of them the best debacle of 09 on these forums was the invisible engine cover!
I cant wait for the McLaren launch. Has there been any indication of the livery at all? With the launch at title sponsor Vodafones HQ there has to be a fair bit of red on there, maybe more than in the past. But will they lose the silver?! I kind of hope they do. This is the first time since 97 that McLaren have had major engine partner deal change. Even though its still the same engine the 'special' relationship is over. Mercedes will want their works team to beat McLaren so a split allegience wouldnt make sense.
Im hoping for red and white too. Dare we dream CHEVRON!?
I cant wait for the McLaren launch. Has there been any indication of the livery at all? With the launch at title sponsor Vodafones HQ there has to be a fair bit of red on there, maybe more than in the past. But will they lose the silver?! I kind of hope they do. This is the first time since 97 that McLaren have had major engine partner deal change. Even though its still the same engine the 'special' relationship is over. Mercedes will want their works team to beat McLaren so a split allegience wouldnt make sense.
Im hoping for red and white too. Dare we dream CHEVRON!?
OK, sorry but this has been gone through ad infinitum.
It will be chrome and rocket red, and it will be similar to 07, 08 and 09. This has been confirmed by senior and official McLaren sources. They've just launched a clothing range for 2010, again silver / rocket red.
There is no colour change for 2010. Read below:
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In a transaction structured so as to be completed by 2011, the McLaren Group will undertake a phased purchase of the 40 per cent shareholding currently owned by Daimler AG. As a result, the McLaren Group will become a fully independent stand-alone corporate entity.
That would suggest that a dramatic colour change would only happen next year at the very, very earliest.
http://www.f1technical.net/news/13785
In stead of Chrome, grayish tangusten chrome or slightly yellowish titanium chrome will be great significance...
I think it will be the same basic livery without the merc star on the the nose
I think we should be happy with the current livery instead. I think it's the clearly best on the whole grid. The way the chrome, black and red looks together, with hamiltons yellow helmet and that rainbow visor is just amazing.
I don't understand those who wants that orange and titanium black instead. Sure, the McLaren F1 LM looks absolutely amazing in it, but it doesn't fit as good on F1 machinery. It doesn't look bad, but looks far from as good as the current livery.
http://i45.tinypic.com/5xny3a.jpg
I don't understand those who wants that orange and titanium black instead. Sure, the McLaren F1 LM looks absolutely amazing in it, but it doesn't fit as good on F1 machinery. It doesn't look bad, but looks far from as good as the current livery.
http://i45.tinypic.com/5xny3a.jpg
QUOTE (One @ Jan 26 2010, 12:10)
In stead of Chrome, grayish tangusten chrome or slightly yellowish titanium chrome will be great significance...
Whats wrong with Silver Chrome and why is it significant to change now?
QUOTE (Alx09 @ Jan 26 2010, 12:21)
I think we should be happy with the current livery instead. I think it's the clearly best on the whole grid. The way the chrome, black and red looks together, with hamiltons yellow helmet and that rainbow visor is just amazing.
I don't understand those who wants that orange and titanium black instead. Sure, the McLaren F1 LM looks absolutely amazing in it, but it doesn't fit as good on F1 machinery. It doesn't look bad, but looks far from as good as the current livery.
http://i45.tinypic.com/5xny3a.jpg
I don't understand those who wants that orange and titanium black instead. Sure, the McLaren F1 LM looks absolutely amazing in it, but it doesn't fit as good on F1 machinery. It doesn't look bad, but looks far from as good as the current livery.
http://i45.tinypic.com/5xny3a.jpg
Agreed. Love the livery as it is.
QUOTE (raiseyourfistfor @ Jan 26 2010, 15:17)
I think it will be the same basic livery without the merc star on the the nose
The star will stay.
McLaren's colors are now silver, black and red. It took them years to re-establish a brand after Marlboro left, so closely associated were they with that iconic color-scheme, they won't do that again, they'll hold onto their new colors and brand identity, and slot sponsors into the gaps.
Silver and black work with anything, it's neutral enough to allow all manner of future title sponsor to slide in, but still dynamic enough to catch the eye
Papaya was then, and they will respect it through road car launches and the historic cars in the factory concourse but the MTC is a big silvery and very definite corporate statement, I wouldn't expect those floor tiles to change to orange anythime soon.
Silver and black work with anything, it's neutral enough to allow all manner of future title sponsor to slide in, but still dynamic enough to catch the eye
Papaya was then, and they will respect it through road car launches and the historic cars in the factory concourse but the MTC is a big silvery and very definite corporate statement, I wouldn't expect those floor tiles to change to orange anythime soon.
QUOTE (feynman @ Jan 26 2010, 09:30)
McLaren's colors are now silver, black and red. It took them years to re-establish a brand after Marlboro left, so closely associated were they with that iconic color-scheme, they won't do that again, they'll hold onto their new colors and brand identity, and slot sponsors into the gaps.
Silver and black work with anything, it's neutral enough to allow all manner of future title sponsor to slide in, but still dynamic enough to catch the eye
Papaya was then, and they will respect it through road car launches and the historic cars in the factory concourse but the MTC is a big silvery and very definite corporate statement, I wouldn't expect those floor tiles to change to orange anythime soon.
Silver and black work with anything, it's neutral enough to allow all manner of future title sponsor to slide in, but still dynamic enough to catch the eye
Papaya was then, and they will respect it through road car launches and the historic cars in the factory concourse but the MTC is a big silvery and very definite corporate statement, I wouldn't expect those floor tiles to change to orange anythime soon.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Jan 26 2010, 13:21)
Whats wrong with Silver Chrome and why is it significant to change now?
1. Mercedes is leaving Woking, soon.
2. Mclaren has new brand in road car division.
I agree that the mirrored silver livery is now part of the Mclaren brand and I can't see the colour changing anytime soon. Mercedes are ending their partnership with Mclaren very soon but are remaining as an engine supplier until 2015 so I'm sure Mercedes will not kick up too much of a fuss about another team will colour association.
To me the Mclaren carries the livery alot better than the Mercedes effort we saw launched yesterday. Apart form being 2 very different types of silver, the Mclaren compliments the sponsors in a much more pleasing way IMO..
To me the Mclaren carries the livery alot better than the Mercedes effort we saw launched yesterday. Apart form being 2 very different types of silver, the Mclaren compliments the sponsors in a much more pleasing way IMO..
QUOTE (One @ Jan 26 2010, 12:35)
1. Mercedes is leaving Woking, soon.
2. Mclaren has new brand in road car division.
2. Mclaren has new brand in road car division.
1 - Yes but Merc is not leaving this year therefore as long as they own a stake silver it shall remain. Besides, McLaren first raced in Silver before Orange. After all Silver and Green are the NZ racing colours and thats how Bruce McLaren saw it. He only picked oragne so the car could stand out and attract sponsors. So you see, McLaren has always been about attracting sponsors and would and should change colours to attract major investors. McLaren does not have the luxury of Ferrari with government backing. Putting orange is a silly idea. Also, the general public do not associate the colour orange with the McLaren brand unlike red with Ferrari. If anything chrome silver is what most people associate McLaren with. And you think changing this would be a great idea? Also. lets say we Vodafone leave McLaren next year and we sign coca cola. Do you think it would be wise to change the livery seeing the car would mirror the diet coke brand? Paint your car the colour that attracts the most money Simple.
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Jan 26 2010, 14:05)
1 - Yes but Merc is not leaving this year therefore as long as they own a stake silver it shall remain. Besides, McLaren first raced in Silver before Orange. After all Silver and Green are the NZ racing colours and thats how Bruce McLaren saw it. He only picked oragne so the car could stand out and attract sponsors. So you see, McLaren has always been about attracting sponsors and would and should change colours to attract major investors. McLaren does not have the luxury of Ferrari with government backing. Putting orange is a silly idea. Also, the general public do not associate the colour orange with the McLaren brand unlike red with Ferrari. If anything chrome silver is what most people associate McLaren with. And you think changing this would be a great idea? Also. lets say we Vodafone leave McLaren next year and we sign coca cola. Do you think it would be wise to change the livery seeing the car would mirror the diet coke brand? Paint your car the colour that attracts the most money Simple.
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In the context of grid, the choice is limited. Silly thing of Chrome is that it makes Mclaren look a like crying for Mercedes to remain on board. It is just my thought, perhaps.
Besidedsm there are hughe differences between chrome and silver... Mclaren has not been Chrome for a long time, and chrome has other conceptual notion.
Mercedes' choice to rip paint off and to race in bare aluminium has some myth, on the contrary, chrome has almost nothing to do with current racing material. It is like a make up fundation.
QUOTE (Owen @ Jan 26 2010, 10:29)
Agreed. Love the livery as it is.
Swtich the red for black and you have a kick ass car.
Like the MP4-19, for example.
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Jan 26 2010, 10:05)
1 - Yes but Merc is not leaving this year therefore as long as they own a stake silver it shall remain. Besides, McLaren first raced in Silver before Orange. After all Silver and Green are the NZ racing colours and thats how Bruce McLaren saw it. He only picked oragne so the car could stand out and attract sponsors. So you see, McLaren has always been about attracting sponsors and would and should change colours to attract major investors. McLaren does not have the luxury of Ferrari with government backing. Putting orange is a silly idea. Also, the general public do not associate the colour orange with the McLaren brand unlike red with Ferrari. If anything chrome silver is what most people associate McLaren with. And you think changing this would be a great idea? Also. lets say we Vodafone leave McLaren next year and we sign coca cola. Do you think it would be wise to change the livery seeing the car would mirror the diet coke brand? Paint your car the colour that attracts the most money Simple.
That would be SO SWEEEET
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Jan 26 2010, 13:05)
He only picked oragne so the car could stand out and attract sponsors. So you see, McLaren has always been about attracting sponsors and would and should change colours to attract major investors.
Using the same argument you could say that Mclaren should change the colour to make the car stand out from the Mercedes.
The current paint scheme has only stood out from the rest of the field because it was the only chrome/silver car on the grid, but now Mercedes has a similar paint scheme so Mclaren need to do something to differentiate themselves.
People are going to have just as many problems as they did when the Midland cars looked so much like the Mclarens from a distance.
QUOTE (Raincoat @ Jan 26 2010, 14:05)
If anything chrome silver is what most people associate McLaren with. And you think changing this would be a great idea? Also. lets say we Vodafone leave McLaren next year and we sign coca cola. Do you think it would be wise to change the livery seeing the car would mirror the diet coke brand?
1. Do you recall the differenes between Marlboro Mclaren to West Mclaren?
2. Vodafone on Ferrari or Vodafone on Mclaren, which one do Vodafone loved to be with?
QUOTE (johnmhinds @ Jan 26 2010, 13:21)
Using the same argument you could say that Mclaren should change the colour to make the car stand out from the Mercedes.
The current paint scheme has only stood out from the rest of the field because it was the only chrome/silver car on the grid, but now Mercedes has a similar paint scheme so Mclaren need to do something to differentiate themselves.
People are going to have just as many problems as they did when the Midland cars looked so much like the Mclarens from a distance.
The current paint scheme has only stood out from the rest of the field because it was the only chrome/silver car on the grid, but now Mercedes has a similar paint scheme so Mclaren need to do something to differentiate themselves.
People are going to have just as many problems as they did when the Midland cars looked so much like the Mclarens from a distance.
I agree, except that it should be Merc who have to change their paint scheme. No matter what the reasons are for Mac choosing their colours, there is no doubt that they are already using it, and any potential clash is the fault of the new team.
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 25 2010, 13:18)
This is part of the basis why there have been rumours regarding Ferrari's car possibly not being competitive. Mclaren behind the scenes have been bullish(which was officially confirmed in Whitmarsh's Autosport article) of Woking having met its engineering/aero targets. Conversely the opposite is the rumours coming from Maranello, of Ferrari engineering/aero not having met its performance targets.
Now before people get too excited or depressed, it entirely depends what their respective performance targets were. Was Mclaren conservative in their goals and Ferrari super aggressive? We must not forget what goals Mclaren set themselves last season, only to find out they were bucket load of aero points behind the leading cars, which equated to 2.5 seconds a lap slower. By the time they threw the kitchen sink at the car, they were still 1.5 seconds a lap shy at Melbourne. If previous years are a valid indicator, then it is safe to assume the leading car in 2010, will be roughly 1 second quicker than the fastest car of 2009.
Now before people get too excited or depressed, it entirely depends what their respective performance targets were. Was Mclaren conservative in their goals and Ferrari super aggressive? We must not forget what goals Mclaren set themselves last season, only to find out they were bucket load of aero points behind the leading cars, which equated to 2.5 seconds a lap slower. By the time they threw the kitchen sink at the car, they were still 1.5 seconds a lap shy at Melbourne. If previous years are a valid indicator, then it is safe to assume the leading car in 2010, will be roughly 1 second quicker than the fastest car of 2009.
It seems that you are pointing in the right direction, at least I hope so. Read this:
Domenicali, whose team is hoping to return to championship-winning ways this year with Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa, said he is confident about the Italian outfit's future.
And he believes Ferrari must work calmly since the start of the season, even if the car is not as strong as expected.
"We have worked hard during the past months and we will have to keep doing it during the season, which will be long, with 19 races. We need to avoid getting anxious from the first race if things don't work well from the start.
"If we start with calm and rationality, and to Ferrari's competitiveness we add Fernando's strength, we have a good mix to look to the future with confidence."
source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81066
Looks like ferrari isn't very convinced by its own performance if you read between the lines, no???
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 26 2010, 15:30)
Looks like ferrari isn't very convinced by its own performance if you read between the lines, no???
Or throwing smoke screens but I think not.
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 26 2010, 09:30)
It seems that you are pointing in the right direction, at least I hope so. Read this:
Domenicali, whose team is hoping to return to championship-winning ways this year with Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa, said he is confident about the Italian outfit's future.
And he believes Ferrari must work calmly since the start of the season, even if the car is not as strong as expected.
"We have worked hard during the past months and we will have to keep doing it during the season, which will be long, with 19 races. We need to avoid getting anxious from the first race if things don't work well from the start.
"If we start with calm and rationality, and to Ferrari's competitiveness we add Fernando's strength, we have a good mix to look to the future with confidence."
source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81066
Looks like ferrari isn't very convinced by its own performance if you read between the lines, no???
Domenicali, whose team is hoping to return to championship-winning ways this year with Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa, said he is confident about the Italian outfit's future.
And he believes Ferrari must work calmly since the start of the season, even if the car is not as strong as expected.
"We have worked hard during the past months and we will have to keep doing it during the season, which will be long, with 19 races. We need to avoid getting anxious from the first race if things don't work well from the start.
"If we start with calm and rationality, and to Ferrari's competitiveness we add Fernando's strength, we have a good mix to look to the future with confidence."
source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81066
Looks like ferrari isn't very convinced by its own performance if you read between the lines, no???
It could be a smoke screen also... Ferrari might downplay their speed like people downplayed Brawn's advantage in March or downplayed McLaren's horrible showings/flo-viz.
Last year at launch, the MP4-24 was dubbed the most "advanced" design of the paddock by Autosport. Turns out, it was the most retarded (or one of).
This bullish feeling makes me worried. McLaren has been too conservative in its designs ever since Newey left. Aero efficiency is key nowadays and no McLaren cars has had great efficiency since the great MP4-20 (designed by Newey). People were feeling bullish too in January when the car was launched, but that feeling quickly went away as soon as they figured out that their targets were too conservative.
McLaren's design of the MP4-24 was too conservative and they paid for it (as the mechanical grip/KERS turned out to be great for them). I think Hamilton could have won the WDC if they had a great (better) car from Australia = he could have easily won Australia, Bahrain, Monaco, Italy, Valencia, Abu Dhabi.
QUOTE (mkay @ Jan 26 2010, 14:53)
It could be a smoke screen also... Ferrari might downplay their speed like people downplayed Brawn's advantage in March or downplayed McLaren's horrible showings/flo-viz.
Last year at launch, the MP4-24 was dubbed the most "advanced" design of the paddock by Autosport. Turns out, it was the most retarded (or one of).
This bullish feeling makes me worried. McLaren has been too conservative in its designs ever since Newey left. Aero efficiency is key nowadays and no McLaren cars has had great efficiency since the great MP4-20 (designed by Newey). People were feeling bullish too in January when the car was launched, but that feeling quickly went away as soon as they figured out that their targets were too conservative.
McLaren's design of the MP4-24 was too conservative and they paid for it (as the mechanical grip/KERS turned out to be great for them). I think Hamilton could have won the WDC if they had a great (better) car from Australia = he could have easily won Australia, Bahrain, Monaco, Italy, Valencia, Abu Dhabi.
Last year at launch, the MP4-24 was dubbed the most "advanced" design of the paddock by Autosport. Turns out, it was the most retarded (or one of).
This bullish feeling makes me worried. McLaren has been too conservative in its designs ever since Newey left. Aero efficiency is key nowadays and no McLaren cars has had great efficiency since the great MP4-20 (designed by Newey). People were feeling bullish too in January when the car was launched, but that feeling quickly went away as soon as they figured out that their targets were too conservative.
McLaren's design of the MP4-24 was too conservative and they paid for it (as the mechanical grip/KERS turned out to be great for them). I think Hamilton could have won the WDC if they had a great (better) car from Australia = he could have easily won Australia, Bahrain, Monaco, Italy, Valencia, Abu Dhabi.
I would agree with your train of thought but 2009 was a year of completely new rules and there wasn't really a reference point. I think that the team learned a lot about the car and their ability to develop it over the year and that they now have realistic targets to design to. Just my opinion.
QUOTE (mkay @ Jan 26 2010, 11:53)
It could be a smoke screen also... Ferrari might downplay their speed like people downplayed Brawn's advantage in March or downplayed McLaren's horrible showings/flo-viz.
Last year at launch, the MP4-24 was dubbed the most "advanced" design of the paddock by Autosport. Turns out, it was the most retarded (or one of).
This bullish feeling makes me worried. McLaren has been too conservative in its designs ever since Newey left. Aero efficiency is key nowadays and no McLaren cars has had great efficiency since the great MP4-20 (designed by Newey). People were feeling bullish too in January when the car was launched, but that feeling quickly went away as soon as they figured out that their targets were too conservative.
McLaren's design of the MP4-24 was too conservative and they paid for it (as the mechanical grip/KERS turned out to be great for them). I think Hamilton could have won the WDC if they had a great (better) car from Australia = he could have easily won Australia, Bahrain, Monaco, Italy, Valencia, Abu Dhabi.
Last year at launch, the MP4-24 was dubbed the most "advanced" design of the paddock by Autosport. Turns out, it was the most retarded (or one of).
This bullish feeling makes me worried. McLaren has been too conservative in its designs ever since Newey left. Aero efficiency is key nowadays and no McLaren cars has had great efficiency since the great MP4-20 (designed by Newey). People were feeling bullish too in January when the car was launched, but that feeling quickly went away as soon as they figured out that their targets were too conservative.
McLaren's design of the MP4-24 was too conservative and they paid for it (as the mechanical grip/KERS turned out to be great for them). I think Hamilton could have won the WDC if they had a great (better) car from Australia = he could have easily won Australia, Bahrain, Monaco, Italy, Valencia, Abu Dhabi.
And how many times did Newey win the WDC since he left mclaren? 0. Newey is too aggressive with cooling and it bites him in the ass every year. Besides the MP4-23 was as aero efficient as any other car on the grid. I don't know how the MP4-25's aero is going to be but I'm happy that I'm a Mclaren fan today instead of RBR
http://carlaunch.mclaren.com/
they show the mp4-24. What happened with showing the real car with cover over it :-)
they show the mp4-24. What happened with showing the real car with cover over it :-)
If you read whitmarsh comments, the 25 will look a bit bulky around the engine cover (bigger fuel tank). I hope mcl still produced a beauty. And of course a fast beast 
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QUOTE (f1rules @ Jan 26 2010, 16:46)
http://carlaunch.mclaren.com/
they show the mp4-24. What happened with showing the real car with cover over it :-)
they show the mp4-24. What happened with showing the real car with cover over it :-)
decent looking website... hope they havent spent most of the time creating a nice website instead of working on the car
you know, have a great looking launch for a crappy silver pig of a car
im pretty sure that wont be the case though, im quite confident we will have one of the best five cars i.e. 2009 wont happen again... im just not sure if it will be the BEST...or close enough to the best that Lewis can still win races with....
with the new points system, winning races will be very important for the WDC
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 26 2010, 16:57)
If you read whitmarsh comments, the 25 will look a bit bulky around the engine cover (bigger fuel tank). I hope mcl still produced a beauty. And of course a fast beast !
!I really hope so, not another silver donkey.
Can't wait until friday.
QUOTE (De Jokke @ Jan 26 2010, 15:57)
If you read whitmarsh comments, the 25 will look a bit bulky around the engine cover (bigger fuel tank). I hope mcl still produced a beauty. And of course a fast beast !
!Then they get their aero messed up again. Surely they should've learned from their mistakes. Besides, he didn't say anything about the car looking bulky, but maybe he hinted it...
One thing that the Red Bull was what the McLaren wasn't last year was how tightly packaged it was.
No secret that the car will be silver, black and Rocket Red once again. Sorry to let down all those hoping for Papaya Orange!
TheFifthDriver
TheFifthDriver
QUOTE (Alx09 @ Jan 26 2010, 13:21)
I think we should be happy with the current livery instead. I think it's the clearly best on the whole grid. The way the chrome, black and red looks together, with hamiltons yellow helmet and that rainbow visor is just amazing.
Yes it is. No need for change, and indeed Mclaren has come to be associated with those colours - maybe even more so than Mercedes - after running them since 1997. I would like it if Mclaren kept using those colours like Ferrari keeps using Red - that the sponsors still come up with lots and lots of cash for Ferrari shows that it can be done.
I don't get this quote from Whitmarsh about Paul di Resta:
"Paul will be running I believe in the majority of the Friday sessions (at grand prix weekends) for Force India, so it's a great opportunity for him, said Whitmarsh, whose McLaren team have a cooperation agreement with Force India.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE60P0QV20100126
Are third drivers back for this season?
"Paul will be running I believe in the majority of the Friday sessions (at grand prix weekends) for Force India, so it's a great opportunity for him, said Whitmarsh, whose McLaren team have a cooperation agreement with Force India.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE60P0QV20100126
Are third drivers back for this season?
As Gary will shakedown the 25, I hope he doesn't crash it. I know mcl will tell him to take it easy but you never know... Imagine he does, that would be a disaster for mcl or can they recover days where they haven't had any running or barely?
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 26 2010, 18:38)
I don't get this quote from Whitmarsh about Paul di Resta:
"Paul will be running I believe in the majority of the Friday sessions (at grand prix weekends) for Force India, so it's a great opportunity for him, said Whitmarsh, whose McLaren team have a cooperation agreement with Force India.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE60P0QV20100126
Are third drivers back for this season?
"Paul will be running I believe in the majority of the Friday sessions (at grand prix weekends) for Force India, so it's a great opportunity for him, said Whitmarsh, whose McLaren team have a cooperation agreement with Force India.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE60P0QV20100126
Are third drivers back for this season?
this sounds incredible stupid to me also, why let a third driver steal time from the two established drivers
no, looks like he'll be splitting practise time with probably Liuzzi.
you'd have to imagine some money has changed hands (or some unpaid bills torn-up). interesting and curious development.
you'd have to imagine some money has changed hands (or some unpaid bills torn-up). interesting and curious development.
QUOTE (Raziel @ Jan 26 2010, 19:31)
No secret that the car will be silver, black and Rocket Red once again. Sorry to let down all those hoping for Papaya Orange!
TheFifthDriver
TheFifthDriver
And if we'd ask Ron Dennis what colours are these, the silver, the black and the Rocket Red, he would answer 'they are McLaren colours, all the three'. Silver and black, Bruce McLaren used them in the sixties, Rocket Red comes from the long established McLaren logos.
As I see, Daimler/Mercedes was very kind to us, the new Silver Arrow is kind of matte, greyish, whiteish aluminimum-oxide colour. It has plenty room for the McLaren chrome/silver, which is very shiny, almost like a mirror, reflects the environment, the MGP doesn't really. I saw the team launch on TV, on DSF, the car was boringly white, I couldn't see anything shiny silver, it was only white on TV. And 'thanks' to Petronas, the whole design is COLD, brrr.
Silver-black-red = winner!
QUOTE (feynman @ Jan 26 2010, 17:45)
no, looks like he'll be splitting practise time with probably Liuzzi.
you'd have to imagine some money has changed hands (or some unpaid bills torn-up). interesting and curious development.
you'd have to imagine some money has changed hands (or some unpaid bills torn-up). interesting and curious development.
Yeah, totally.
Bet Liuzzi isn't too happy about that.
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 26 2010, 12:45)
Silver-black-red = winner!
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jan 26 2010, 18:47)
Yeah, totally.
Bet Liuzzi isn't too happy about that.
Bet Liuzzi isn't too happy about that.
Indeed, and maybe Sutil isn't too happy either. Allthough, due to Medion (and being the 1st driver at least for now), he is less likely to have to make room for Di Resta, I suppose.
Interestingly, McLaren was counting on De La Rosa as their lead testdriver - that seems quite clear when reading Whitmarsh' statements on the matter (and that he was supposed to shakedown the -25, as well). This is a loss for McLaren. I wonder who Whitmarsh has in mind when he says he expects some (fairly established, I suppose) drivers to lose what now seems like a certain place in the paddock?
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