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Wooze
Jan 10 2010, 18:33
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 10 2010, 19:16) *
McLaren Twitter.



http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_new...es_art_id=39742
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_new...es_art_id=39744

It looks like he's already had a photoshoot but i was wondering why these pictures weren't available on the mclaren site. These aren't on twitter either.
hunnylander
Jan 10 2010, 19:28
QUOTE (Gilles4Ever @ Jan 10 2010, 20:53) *
What do you guys make of this story?



http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_new...es_art_id=39750

I supposed this must be the situation because of the huge Automotive investments, now we have some numbers. It's not surprise, these are hard times for McLaren, it's like 'throes of childbirth'.

But the F1 section is making money, and for this reason they have signed another champion, who's marketable. Regardless of the result, the racing team will be moneymaker this year too.
aditya-now
Jan 10 2010, 19:31
I was just watching Adelaide 1985 - some driving by Ayrton Senna in his pre-McLaren years that shows enormous similarities with Lews Hamilton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVzJHZBOSS8...feature=related

The race is there in 12 parts, and each part is worthwhile watching, this part just shows in very dramatic fashion how much and how successfully the early Lewis does emulate his idol Senna.

I am curious how the McLaren preparations in winter are going - Button is more the Prost style of driver, Hamilton the Senna style of driver, so Button should be spending the winter in the factory while Hamilton should be on holidays till the test sessions start...

Inevitably, Lewis has not showed up at Croydon so far as well....
rmac923
Jan 10 2010, 19:37
I have a question about the livery for the MP4-25. I heard they're still running the Silver and Red combination, but will McLaren still have the Mercedes logos on the car this year? I'm asking because I'm in the process of making a skin for rFactor.
P123
Jan 10 2010, 19:42
QUOTE (rmac923 @ Jan 10 2010, 19:37) *
I have a question about the livery for the MP4-25. I heard they're still running the Silver and Red combination, but will McLaren still have the Mercedes logos on the car this year? I'm asking because I'm in the process of making a skin for rFactor.


The Merc branding still appears on the team clothing (see pics of Button with 2010 team top) so there will probably still be Mercedes branding of some sort on the car.
hunnylander
Jan 10 2010, 19:42
QUOTE (rmac923 @ Jan 10 2010, 22:37) *
I have a question about the livery for the MP4-25. I heard they're still running the Silver and Red combination, but will McLaren still have the Mercedes logos on the car this year? I'm asking because I'm in the process of making a skin for rFactor.

Merc logos must be there, I'm sure. Also the official name (VMM) will keep the Mercedes name. To advertise Mercedes is part of the process to pay to Daimler to get back its 40%. I guess this way it's cheaper to get it. lol.gif
rmac923
Jan 10 2010, 19:51
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 10 2010, 14:42) *
Merc logos must be there, I'm sure. Also the official name (VMM) will keep the Mercedes name. To advertise Mercedes is part of the process to pay to Daimler to get back its 40%. I guess this way it's cheaper to get it. lol.gif


That was fast! Thanks P123 and hunnylander!
undersquare
Jan 10 2010, 20:20
QUOTE (aditya-now @ Jan 10 2010, 19:31) *
I was just watching Adelaide 1985 - some driving by Ayrton Senna in his pre-McLaren years that shows enormous similarities with Lews Hamilton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVzJHZBOSS8...feature=related

The race is there in 12 parts, and each part is worthwhile watching, this part just shows in very dramatic fashion how much and how successfully the early Lewis does emulate his idol Senna.


Very funny lol.gif

So maybe Senna wasn't quite as Hamiltonesque as we like to remember him wink.gif .

Jense- and sundry FA-fans may be hoping that Lewis can't make his tyres last like Ayrton in his 2nd year, but in fact LH won the wdc in his 2nd year. Meanwhile the MP4-25 will be perfect on its tyres, in Lewis' hands at least, if 2009 is anything to go by.

Definitely one of the more subtle bashes though wave.gif tongue.gif .
TheF1PERSON
Jan 10 2010, 20:48
QUOTE (rmac923 @ Jan 10 2010, 19:37) *
I have a question about the livery for the MP4-25. I heard they're still running the Silver and Red combination, but will McLaren still have the Mercedes logos on the car this year? I'm asking because I'm in the process of making a skin for rFactor.


I don't really know the answer to that one, though I'd assume not. Perhaps you could design the skin without the logo, then add it if it has it at the launch.
V8 Fireworks
Jan 10 2010, 21:05
QUOTE (rmac923 @ Jan 10 2010, 19:37) *
I have a question about the livery for the MP4-25. I heard they're still running the Silver and Red combination, but will McLaren still have the Mercedes logos on the car this year? I'm asking because I'm in the process of making a skin for rFactor.

Won't it be better to make the skins once the liveries are released? smile.gif

If I was redesigning their livery I would tweak the top of the nosecone to all-dayglo red to emphasis vodafone a little more (chrome around the sides of the nose etc).
hunnylander
Jan 10 2010, 21:51
QUOTE (V8 Fireworks @ Jan 11 2010, 00:05) *
Won't it be better to make the skins once the liveries are released? smile.gif

If I was redesigning their livery I would tweak the top of the nosecone to all-dayglo red to emphasis vodafone a little more (chrome around the sides of the nose etc).

I hope the designers have spiced up the theme, even if the main colour scheme remains. To have completely the same livery would be boring a bit, though the new forms of the new car will make it more interesting.
raiseyourfistfor
Jan 11 2010, 09:01
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 10 2010, 18:51) *
I hope the designers have spiced up the theme, even if the main colour scheme remains. To have completely the same livery would be boring a bit, though the new forms of the new car will make it more interesting.


I agree, they've had almost the same livery for 3 years now.
ashnathan
Jan 11 2010, 09:35
It has been the same for 3 years now.
TheF1PERSON
Jan 11 2010, 15:05
Apparantly, Lewis will get a new engineering team, so Phil Prew won't be on the radio to Lewis. So his team will be on equal footing to Jenson.
Gilles4Ever
Jan 11 2010, 15:06
McLaren has undertaken a reshuffle of its race engineering crews in a bid to help get the best out of both Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button this year.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80804
Oblivion
Jan 11 2010, 16:31
I wonder what with Mark Slade? Not a word about his fate... Is he leaving the team?
undersquare
Jan 11 2010, 16:43
Race engineer CVs

Andy Latham (Lewis Hamilton race engineer)
Age 31
McLaren career Started working at McLaren Racing in September 2000.
Six years of trackside experience, including working as an assistant test engineer (2003-’04), assistant race engineer (working with Kimi and Fernando from 2005-’07).
Spent the past two seasons as test engineer, working closely with the race engineers, to develop and run test and simulation programmes for the race and test drivers.

Jakob Andreason (Jenson Button race engineer)
Age 39
History Born in Denmark, but moved to the UK aged four. Prior to joining the Formula 1 team, worked in Champ Car, the BTCC, Formula 3000 and the DTM.
McLaren career After a brief stint engineering McLaren’s Le Mans and GT programme, joined McLaren Racing in 2001 as a test engineer, graduating to the race team in 2005 as an assistant race engineer.

McLaren.com
maverick69
Jan 11 2010, 16:46
QUOTE (Oblivion @ Jan 11 2010, 16:31) *
I wonder what with Mark Slade? Not a word about his fate... Is he leaving the team?



"Slade is still with McLaren and his new role will become clear in the next few weeks"

jamesallenonf1.com
peroa
Jan 11 2010, 17:03
Hope this obsession with equality doesn't backfire.
hunnylander
Jan 11 2010, 17:07
QUOTE (undersquare @ Jan 11 2010, 18:43) *
LAThaM, Andy (Lewis Hamilton race engineer)

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undersquare
Jan 11 2010, 17:12
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 11 2010, 17:07) *
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Busted lol.gif

up.gif up.gif up.gif Andy
peroa
Jan 11 2010, 17:12
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 11 2010, 18:07) *
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lol, busted.
dabrasco
Jan 11 2010, 17:16
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 11 2010, 18:07) *
smoking.gif stoned.gif


oh snap...lets just act like we dont know, so he can continue posting... that will be really cool
Bonaventura
Jan 11 2010, 17:21
QUOTE (peroa @ Jan 11 2010, 18:03) *
Hope this obsession with equality doesn't backfire.

Now Buttons statement, that Hamiltons advantage will not be that big
takes on a different complexion
"I'm not going to say he (Hamilton) starts with a big advantage,"

I hope it will not be a disadvantage for Hamilton
mstar
Jan 11 2010, 17:26
i personally thought if jenson had a experience hand like Mark Slade with 15 years experience in F1 race engineer, he would be stronger.
With a new race engineer they are unproven when the pressure is on. Jensons biggest strength i thought at Brawn was his relationship with shovlin
who they used to socialise out of f1 aswell. not sure what the 2 new guys are like??? anyone?

Lets see how it plans out. I doubt lewis is bothered as he probably got the heads up longgggggggggg time ago.
Don_Humpador
Jan 11 2010, 17:28
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 11 2010, 17:07) *
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jjcale
Jan 11 2010, 17:32
This is a positive IMHO. 1) On the odd occasion that we heard LH's interaction with Prew last year it did not sound like Prew thought too much of LH's input. On most of those few occasions it would have been better if they gave more weight to LH's input. The unfortunate events in Aus spring to mind. 2) the reasons given publicly for the shakeup sound pretty sound to me.

Best of luck JB...
mclarensmps
Jan 11 2010, 17:32
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 11 2010, 10:07) *
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I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing smile.gif

If it IS you, Andy, a proper congrats is in order up.gif up.gif up.gif
undersquare
Jan 11 2010, 17:34
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 11 2010, 17:16) *
oh snap...lets just act like we dont know, so he can continue posting... that will be really cool


I suspect he'll be a bit busier now but let's hope. Or maybe Mac will give us someone else from HQ, if Andy's too busy & travelling wave.gif .
undersquare
Jan 11 2010, 17:38
QUOTE (jjcale @ Jan 11 2010, 17:32) *
This is a positive IMHO. 1) On the odd occasion that we heard LH's interaction with Prew last year it did not sound like Prew thought too much of LH's input. On most of those few occasions it would have been better if they gave more weight to LH's input. The unfortunate events in Aus spring to mind. 2) the reasons given publicly for the shakeup sound pretty sound to me.

Best of luck JB...


That was somebody else on the radio mostly, not Prew. And not Prew if it's the 'leave the thinking to us Lewis' bit from Nurb you've got in mind. Forgotten his name now...
ForeverF1
Jan 11 2010, 17:39
Guys, the discussion is becoming more orientated on/to the drivers, there is a thread specifically dedicated to that.
Bonaventura
Jan 11 2010, 17:40
QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 11 2010, 18:16) *
oh snap...lets just act like we dont know, so he can continue posting... that will be really cool


Then the quotes must be removed where it was discovered wink.gif
rodlamas
Jan 11 2010, 17:43
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 11 2010, 13:05) *
Apparantly, Lewis will get a new engineering team, so Phil Prew won't be on the radio to Lewis. So his team will be on equal footing to Jenson.


It's not Phrew who speaks to Lewis on the radio, although he's his race engineer. The voice normally heard is from Richard Hopkirk.

On the other car it was always Mark Slade the race engineer, but the radio speaker was Steve Hallam, but then he quit to NASCAR so I don't know who spoke to Heikki this last season.
jjcale
Jan 11 2010, 18:01
Little bit of blue sky's thinking/question from a "novice" - what exactly does a race engineer do? Is the job at Macca any different from elsewhere, given the reliance on banks of strategists and computerised simulations??
mstar
Jan 11 2010, 18:07
QUOTE (jjcale @ Jan 11 2010, 17:32) *
This is a positive IMHO. 1) On the odd occasion that we heard LH's interaction with Prew last year it did not sound like Prew thought too much of LH's input. On most of those few occasions it would have been better if they gave more weight to LH's input. The unfortunate events in Aus spring to mind.


I counted 2 times where they said "lewis please concentrate on the driving and we will concentrate on the strategy thanks you." roflmao.gif
and 2 times "Lewis that strategy will not work for us, keep pushing please we need gap of XXX" [after lewis asks what strategy to get in front of x"

At least Jenson can read a race really well, as we saw his ability to know who he is racing against around him -the switch of strategy in spain an example after he lost the lead to rubens, and other times when he was coming back from poor grid positions and he was calculating who he needs to beat
TheArmchairCritic
Jan 11 2010, 18:24
QUOTE (mstar @ Jan 11 2010, 18:07) *
I counted 2 times where they said "lewis please concentrate on the driving and we will concentrate on the strategy thanks you." roflmao.gif
and 2 times "Lewis that strategy will not work for us, keep pushing please we need gap of XXX" [after lewis asks what strategy to get in front of x"

At least Jenson can read a race really well, as we saw his ability to know who he is racing against around him -the switch of strategy in spain an example after he lost the lead to rubens, and other times when he was coming back from poor grid positions and he was calculating who he needs to beat

All I have to say is Lewis asked for a 1 Stopper at Monza and was told "Lewis that strategy will not work for us," so I think Lewis is a lot more savvy then you think. So enough with the cheapshots.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/09/23/do-f...-hamilton-does/
undersquare
Jan 11 2010, 18:32
QUOTE (mstar @ Jan 11 2010, 18:07) *
I counted 2 times where they said "lewis please concentrate on the driving and we will concentrate on the strategy thanks you." roflmao.gif
and 2 times "Lewis that strategy will not work for us, keep pushing please we need gap of XXX" [after lewis asks what strategy to get in front of x"

At least Jenson can read a race really well, as we saw his ability to know who he is racing against around him -the switch of strategy in spain an example after he lost the lead to rubens, and other times when he was coming back from poor grid positions and he was calculating who he needs to beat


Pure invention rolleyes.gif . Jense was given a strategy, like Lewis.
hunnylander
Jan 11 2010, 18:39
Lewis on the MP4-25 (video)
f1rules
Jan 11 2010, 19:39



QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 11 2010, 18:07) *
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QUOTE (dabrasco @ Jan 11 2010, 18:16) *
oh snap...lets just act like we dont know, so he can continue posting... that will be really cool



now we know his role and level off knowledge we want even more info. smile.gif


btw. The Mclaren twitter sucks they give us nothing. You need up your game. I dont care if its snowing at mtc.
TheF1PERSON
Jan 11 2010, 19:48
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 11 2010, 18:39) *
Lewis on the MP4-25 (video)


Interesting. Lewis says he's had a lot of input on the direction of the car.

That's going to hinder Jenson.
Clatter
Jan 11 2010, 19:51
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 11 2010, 19:48) *
Interesting. Lewis says he's had a lot of input on the direction of the car.

That's going to hinder Jenson.


If it makes the car faster, it will be faster for both drivers.
craftverk
Jan 11 2010, 19:53
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 11 2010, 19:48) *
Interesting. Lewis says he's had a lot of input on the direction of the car.

That's going to hinder Jenson.

Not really...
TheF1PERSON
Jan 11 2010, 19:53
Well yes, but Lewis will know more about the car than Jenson.

But whether that will give any advantage or not I don't know.
undersquare
Jan 11 2010, 20:03
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 11 2010, 19:48) *
Interesting. Lewis says he's had a lot of input on the direction of the car.

That's going to hinder Jenson.


I think so too. Sounds like a wish-list of what Lewis wants a car to do.

Jense eek.gif

Well it'll do Jense good perhaps to drive a really agile car.
hunnylander
Jan 11 2010, 20:07
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 11 2010, 22:48) *
Interesting. Lewis says he's had a lot of input on the direction of the car.

That's going to hinder Jenson.

Just Lewis was there to give input till Jenson came.

What if both drivers will benefit from a good car?

A video with Phil Prew and Jakob Andreasen.
undersquare
Jan 11 2010, 20:28
QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jan 11 2010, 20:07) *
Just Lewis was there to give imput till Jenson came.

What if both drivers will benefit from a good car?

A video with Phil Prew and Jakob Andreasen.


I remember up.gif .

Funny how these senior superstar engineers are less confident than 24-year-old Lewis lol.gif

Good illustration of Lewis' influence in the team. When he talks about going round urging everyone on he's not kidding. The ~25 will have some of his influence in it, I feel sure. At a guess I'd say the setup window will be centred around Lewis, and accommodate Jenson at one end.
TheF1PERSON
Jan 11 2010, 20:30
Just a conspiracy theory, but it seems like McLaren are naming their cars with the same number as Lewis' age eek.gif

Could this be another reason to slant towards Lewis?

Note: I am perfectly aware of the real reason.
craftverk
Jan 11 2010, 20:33
If Jenson struggles in the car that will put entirely on his shoulders and not the car. McLaren was centered around Prost and so was the car in 1988 but Senna still was much quicker than him in it.
undersquare
Jan 11 2010, 20:53
QUOTE (craftverk @ Jan 11 2010, 20:33) *
If Jenson struggles in the car that will put entirely on his shoulders and not the car. McLaren was centered around Prost and so was the car in 1988 but Senna still was much quicker than him in it.


Absolutely, Jense'll be in the simulator now and the team will be looking hard at his inputs and what that means in terms of the car they give him. I reckon he'll get better setups than he had at Brawn. Lewis clearly has been in there though, as ever, making himself the central figure, so if the fundamental design has a sweet spot it'll be where Lewis wanted it. But that's part of the competition, Jense could have had that by staying at Merc, and probably it's a very small difference.
jjcale
Jan 12 2010, 08:43
QUOTE (jjcale @ Jan 11 2010, 18:01) *
Little bit of blue sky's thinking/question from a "novice" - what exactly does a race engineer do? Is the job at Macca any different from elsewhere, given the reliance on banks of strategists and computerised simulations??

And I should add, will the changes have any significance to anything that we will see on the track???


... well? any takers??
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