I just want to see what's the general perception about RedBull racing regarding 2010. And for that is the poll, don't really want any debates, just yes/no.

I personally think they'll be a title contender ad maybe even take win the championship (but that's going too far), but not so sure about Brawn.

Please respect eachother's opinions/point of view.

IMHO the car this year was great for turning laps quickly, it was a difficult car to truely race with. Forgetting KERS for a second, the 07 and 08 mcLaren's were VERY slippery in a straight line, same with this years McLaren and this years Brawn. The Red Bull seemed to lap quicklybut top speed was always mid to low pack, I am not sure what Adrian can do but it's tough to fight when you're always that little bit slower in a straight line.

Merc engine is now out of the contention Red Bull will surely focus it attentions on how to turn fuel consumption to their speed.

Ferrari and Mclaren better watch out:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79971

I expect more from Red Bull than Brawn, as they were able to make a top car for this year without giving up on 2008, with a smaller budget compared to what Honda used for this years Brawn car. Also, Brawn has weaker drivers IMO compared to Red Bull, Ferrari and Mclaren.

Top teams of 2010

Ferrari
Mclaren

Red Bull

BrawnGP

Renault
Toyota
Williams

Force India
Torro Rosso

USGP
Campos
Manor
Lotus

Exactly my thoughts too

I believe it was discussed in the Ferrari F61 thread that the 2010 Ferrari decided to follow the Red Bull direction in design for their vehicles rather then the Brawns due to the RBR having more room for development. If there is truth to that, RBR may be a title contender again.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=117107

I think they will fight for the occasional race win but it will be a real long shot for them to win the WDC

Possibly but I would imagine MCLaren and maybe Ferrari will be back up there also - and if Brawn can even halway repeat this years performance RB will be hard pressed to win many races...

Red Bull was developing the car the longest this year. Ferrari abandoned long ago to focus on 2010. I don't think RB be as strong as this year.

Originally thought they wouldn't,but taking into account their very impressive form towards the end of the season-coupled with,oddly-their announcement of the Renault deal-I think Red Bull can actually remain at the top for 2010,battling with McL and Ferrari.

Watch out for what? Big words from a big mouth? I think RBR's success this year has very much gone to their collective heads.

They'll be top end of the mid pack next season which is where they would have been if Ferrari and McLaren would have got it right from the start this season.

I do beleive that Ferrari and McLaren will have the supremacy next year, but Red Bull will be close I think, and will beat Brawn. On that, I guess it's fair enough for them to claim to be fighting for the championships again. A top 3 team generally is.

And RBR did have it right at the begining of this season....?

and mine.

Don't see why not.

CH said these 09 car was designed very late unlike BrawnGP and for next year they will be stronger because they started working in 2010 car earlier besides they have the best aero currently and an almost equal mechanical grip as Mclaren.


Their "collective heads" will make they shine again imo. RBR's staff is good in every aspect, in Valencia they didn't have a good mechanical grip, they quicly solved the problem for Singapore and that still reflected yesterday in Yas Marina. Not to mention the best aero they have.

RBR is currently ahead of Mclaren and Ferrari in aerodynamical terms and I think thal will remain next season, but Ferrari and Mclaren will get closer and probably have an excelent mechanical grip(Mclaren already does) which will allow them to fight for the championships.

My list is:
Red Bull, Mclaren, Ferrari
Brawn, Williams, Toyota, Renault
Force India, Toro Rosso
new teams

That's far too straight-forward for it to ever happen. The teams are so close that even Force India could end up with a rocket of a car, also there's got to be some big team who will mess up car design badly like there is every year.

Back to the "traditional" stance of F1....

Brawn and Red Bull got the fundamentals of the design right this season. Mclaren and Ferrari didn't, McLaren imporved significantly however, and find themselves in a strong position for next season.
Ferrari will have to go through another off season of wondering if their car has been designed correctly - they dropped development early this season, and whilst that can be seen to be an advantage by some - nothing replaces results on track with a chasis that is being constantly developed. The only issue that becomes a disadvantage for teams, is when resources for the development of next years car become tied up in this years contest. I'm sure both Brawn and Red Bull have been quite wary of that situation and have avoided any hangover it will cause for next season.
Red Bull may be at some disadvantage next season, due to a particularly late choice of engine. Whilst Brawn didn't seem to suffer with an even later decision last season, Adrian Newey would most certainly preferred an earlier decision to bed down some of the design features he will have to apply when the respective engine is chosen. That is the only disadvantage I can see for them - they have the momentum of wins, additional prizemoney and the enthusiasm of a billionaire in their camp. Given the results of this season, Dr M might be thinking about another budget increase to take that one step forward to win the World Championship. There's additional staff available to Red Bull in the F1 paddock courtesy of BMW, Ferrari haven't proven they can get the fundamentals correct with this change of rules, and McLaren are in somewhat of a crisis, with Mercedes making noises about leaving. Each team seems to have it's own respective challenges - given the choice between a team that hasn't proved concept of design, a team that is losing it's engine partner, or a team that has victories in the last 3 races of the season, I think it's time to leave the traditional view of the F1 pecking order for another season. Red Bull for me next year.

I'd be surprised if Red Bull isn't up there fighting for race wins. Who knows if they'll have the reliability and consistency to really fight for the championships, though.

I don't see how Red Bull might fall down so soon especially since they have a Newey and the funding of the Red Bull empire behind them. No, I definitely see them as a top team for 2010.