Stop the blame game.

The car was NEVER the quickest. We had a inferior car, and Alonso made us come a close 2nd.

No shame.

Gotta love Santander money that was wasted and did not bring results.

They were controlling webber... forgeting about Petrov, Rosberg... and Kubica - all due to SC in 1st lap.
Strategy fail. They were too carefull...


Red Bull saves it at the end. Vettel youngest WDC.

Car wasn't quick enough. Hasn't been for a few races.

Indeed. I don't really see too much of a fail for Alo/Fer but rather a Red Bull/Vet save in the end.

No doubt. that crossed my mind.

That is not true, we started with a win, then we lose points because of stupid decisions (many from Alonso, many from the team) We lacked off a second driver. And we do not understood the new point system that rewards winners not podium finishers or point collecting.

Alonso's pace on the soft tyre was not that bad, they should have left him out. This is so depressing

Looking forward for Domenicali's reaction......

RBR killed two birds with one stone.
Ah well, i never thought we would get the WDC.

Hopes Monty will kick his a$$. This is the most stupid thing I ever saw...

hurts to lose like this, what a bad strategy call, all they had to do was follow button. either they really expected the tires to go off in a hurry or somebody had a brain fart.

how many laps did button do with his softs and kubica, as hard as it is to pass in f1 why put yourself in the position to have to.

Ferrari was owned today by RBR, well played by them playing with Webber that way.

Alonso comment on BBC: "After the race it is always very easy to see the best strategy. If we didn't stop, Webber would probably overtake us, if we stop, we let Rosberg and Petrov overtake us, very difficult call".

Now seriously, how did they think that they can overtake Rosberg on track?

Win together and lose together guys...

It just hurts the way it happened but the team had helped Fernando in previous races so the combined effort was just not good enough.

With a #3 WCC car, it is really a miracle Ferrari got to fight until the last race.

They didn't. They obviously didn't think at all about the consequences of bringing Alonso in so early. They just wanted to ensure they were ahead of Webber, which they did.

What were they thinking
Couldn't be worse.

It might be worth pointing out that brundle was incredulous that vettel and hamilton didn't also come in.
If the softs had continued to degrade and webber had gone ahead they would have looked very silly.
Some calls in F1 - it's only possible to work out what would be right with MW's famous hindsight.

Time to offer 1 of Kubica, Hamilton or Vettle a job?

Yes, and put Kimi in that list too.

i am stll trying to recover, how could they screw up like this, even if you are covering webber you wait a while to see if he ia able to move thru the field, at that time fernando was slightly faster than button, what hurts more about this is that they were not beaten they beat themselves

No, Kimi was not in a 'similar' position at all. The Ferrari that year was a top car, capable of winning at over half the tracks. And yet, they went into the last race being BEHIND in the standings and only having one other team as a realistic competitor.

Alonso didn't fail this year at all. I think he, and the team had a pretty damn good season. It obviously wasn't enough, but the Red Bull was incredibly fast for pretty much every race, and only reliability issues for Vettel gave us a fighting chance.

We were lucky to even be in the fight, and I think it as almost purely Alonso's talent that put us up there. He had a great, if imperfect, season and I'm while I'm bitterly disappointed at the moment, I can still see that we made it a good fight and provided some good entertainment. If we weren't as competitive, the season wouldn't have been so interesting.

Its alright, guys. I think we've got a really got shot again next year as we looked good last year with a single-deck diffuser and we have a proven KERS system that will give us a head start over a team like Red Bull, who never ran it competitively.

The best I can say is that this year was a MASSIVE improvement over 2009 and shows that we are certainly still a team to be reckoned with. Lots of people wanted to write Ferrari off, saying that everything has gone back to the 'spaghetti culture' of the 80's and 90's, yet we've proven everybody wrong and have came a close 2nd place in the driver's championship. Its disappointing considering the position we were in coming into this last race, but overall, we cant be too disappointed with the season as a whole. After Turkey, I dont think anyone would have thought we'd have been so close come the last race.

I immagine that someone in the team is constantly looking the spot where you come out from the pit stop, so you can figure out how many overtakes you need to do, and how long the aother drivers will stay out, if you have that information you realize how fast and how good overtaking you have to be, whe Massa did not overtake JA in his out lap, I would be very cautious at the decision to take. But may be SD and FA relay on his gut.

Yep. That's the gutting part. If this had been a dominant Red Bull 1-2 kind of weekend it would be easier to accept. But it was in Ferrari's hands and they ruined it with their strategy. But under high pressure mistakes are made, they obviously felt the softs were falling away rapidly, that all the front runners were about to pit and that therefore they had to concentrate only on covering Webber. It's very ironic - if Webber hadn't pitted Ferrari would surely have kept Alonso out.

big screwup, they were looking at the wrong side of the field, they should have been preparing their strategy geared towards getting ahead of button, webber was at the back of the field having to work his way up front, what they did was panic and not let the race come to them, what a sorry way to lose this championship

I guess that's the advantage of having 2 drivers in the hunt, it's usually perceived as a disadvantage but here RB could spplit their strategies, ferrari couldn't cover both.

True. It was even worse that Webber was their immediate 'top priority' to cover, although with the current point system, 15 points isn't all that much, so Vettel should have gotten immediate attention, especially considering that the Mclaren was the faster car here, so they couldn't afford to lose positions to ANYBODY other than Vettel, Lewis or Button.

They should have known that RB were willing to sacrifice Webber. Stupid move!

Shockingly bad call by Ferrari. The golden rule is to stay out until you have cleared the pack even if the tyres are degrading. I couldn't believe they decided to cover what was a pretty desperate move by Webber who effectively had nothing to lose.

It made sense that they bought Massa in to try and get him ahead of Webber ... ok it didn't work but it was worth a try to cover him off. But watching the live timing, I just couldn't believe my eyes when they bought in Alonso too. It was obvious he would end up behind Petrov and Rosberg which would be a nightmare scenario in terms of the risk even if it was easier to overtake.

Credit to Vettel, he did everything required on the day - Ferrari strategy cracked under the pressure.

Kimi, the Ferrari last champion, for a long long time .....

they panicked, they didnt wait for the race to come to them, they were in the drivers seat, alonso 4th catching up to button, and webber in 14th or somewhere abouts, they said they needed to finish second to be wdc without caring what the rest did, that was there goal they should have stuck with this, but no they changed it in a spur of a moment and put themselves with a new goal, to cover webber, they did this, problem was this put them at the back with the need to pass drivers, something that even in the most favorable tracks is not easy,big no no, you never give up track position in f1, in nascar maybe in f1 never,now with there new objective they needed to get ahead of all the drivers who had stopped already and the ones who hadnt and trying not to lose too much time in the process because now we are trying to be 4th not 2nd like when we started the race. so from being 4th with a goal of being 2nd we are now 12 or 13th or something like that trying to be fourth, whoever came up with this smartass strategy should be fired on the spot.

we beat ourselves ,funny thing about this is we were beat by a car that was 10 spots behind us not by the cars ahead uf us. after all the hard work and all the effort everyone in the team made we thru the title away by being afraid

Small things mean a lot in F1, and today all the small things were against Ferrari, sometimes because of bad luck, sometimes because of Ferrari´s mistakes.

They should had fought the 3 cars ahead, not just the car behind, but as Alonso said it´s easy to speak now about strategies.

I can't decide if Massa was just bad or lolbad this season.

Good assessment. Going out there aiming for the best result possible was the only way to approach the finale - there were too many factors involved to be able to try and control the race.
I just couldn't believe it when they pitted Alonso

Incredible that a team with 5 years experience on F1 just plain outsmarted Ferrari on strategy, who has been at this for 6 decades.

But alas, as good as Alonso is, his performance in the second part of the season isn't enough to cover the clusterf@ck that is Ferrari in strategy calls. When you thought they had covered his fair share of stupidity with the release yesterday of both cars pending 10 seconds to end the Q3 session, they up the ante and take the bait that RBR put in front of them with Webber Truly beyond words.

Guys we were awful at strategy all year. Monty have to do something after this... Really this was so poor...

Webber: ""Going for the harder tyre pretty early obviously hurt Fernando because he had to cover me off, so in a way it was a bit of a team effort I suppose."

Yes, RedBull did it on purpose... And Ferrari reacted so badly...

Thing is that FA didn't have to cover MW, because not matter how fast he wast for 3-4 laps, he would have been in traffic with PET, HUL and ROS, so it simply was a matter of keeping FA on track following BUT.

The Ferrari was slow in top speed with their setup, so how in hell did they expect FA to make up ground through the field in a circuit where overtaking is nearly impossible?

Silly, silly move by Ferrari.

Congratulations to Vettel & RBR by the way!

Ferrari were seriously duped by Red Bull... I can understand what they tried to do but it didn't work. If Massa had emerged ahead of Webber after his stop they would not have pit Alonso.

In reality it was only Rosberg, as Petrov´d have moved away like Alguersuari did. But no team orders at Red Bull, ok??

Ferrari are so poor... I still can't believe what they've done to Alonso. So poor.

they them selves said their goal was to be second this race as that would make them wdc without bothering what anyone else did, why change that goal when they were in a position to try to achieve this, they panicked, sad but thats what it looks like to me, if it so difficult to pass why put yourself in a position to have to just to get back the position you are already in, doesnt make any sense, if you want to pass someone go get button and then lewis, why risk crashing out trying to pass petrov, hulkenberg, rosberg, etc just to get the position you are already in.

button did 40 laps on softs, setting faster times than alonso with his new tires, some will probaby say that because alonso was caught in traffic,well why was he in traffic when he should have been behind button. i am pissed i still cant believe they threw away the title like this, everytime this year they have tried to be smart they have screwed up, you let the races come to you they had no reason to take a risk like thatr, webber had nothing to lose by getting caught in traffic but they had the wdc to lose and they did, number 1 rule in sports is you make the other guy beat you, vettel was 1st alonso was 4th, how did they setup their race to react to a guy who was 14th and noy the guy who ewas first and could beat you . reliability happens and driver mistakes also but giving away track position to cover a guy who is 14th when the guy who can beat you is in first is the stupidest decision i have seen in a long time and the only reason i can think is they panicked, not something i would expect from an organization of ¨so called professionals

It is of course possible that Alonso together with the team made the decision to pit and so the blame isn't all with them...
Here's his comment on the situation:
"After the race it is always very easy to see the best strategy. If we didn't stop, Webber would probably overtake us, if we stop, we let Rosberg and Petrov overtake us, very difficult call," he says.

Unfortunately, now Ferrari know. It is pretty sad though when we fans at home can see that the best thing to do is stay out with the front runners. For those of us, it isn't hindsight. We knew and hoped they wouldn't pit Alonso, there was no reason to. I was dumbfounded when they brought him in. Sure, it looked okay cuz they covered Webber but he was a much lower priority. Alonso had 4th and just had to stay there. You're only worried if Webber wins, then you need 2nd, otherwise hes not a threat (and he wasn't at all).

Now its onto 2011 and with new Pirelli tires, KERS and no more DD. Its gonna be an agonizing long wait, made worse that we lost out today.

Compare to Singapore. There also Webber pitted early and with fresh tyres lost a tonne of time trying to pass slower cars which gave the front runners a huge cushion over him. It does indeed look like Ferrari panicked today...

In a way, you could see that. But all those guys on pit wall are the ones in charge of strategy, a driver only does what hes told to do. If they say "box! box! box!", well you do it. You trust them. You don't question it and stay out another lap. I put it squarely on the team. For whatever reason, they chose to cover the wrong RBR.

I am very worried about Ferrari now. I think switching to Domenico is looking like was huge mistake. Look how he gives so much preferential treatment to his personal favorites. I think he has not been smart with the way he has run the team and has used favoritism and lost lot of great people etc. The last two years he was obviously favoring Massa but Kimi was winning the WDC if they had just favored Kimi I see no reason for getting 2nd and 3rd in 2008 instead of 1st. Now he's decided Massa isn't the chosen one anymore and it's Alonso/Santander but when you only have one driver who is having choking problems you just don't win WDC. And look at how idiotic the strategy calls have been during precisely the last 3 years. Yes it isn't as bad as 2008, so there has been improvement, but Ferrari should always have the best strategy. They should have the people like Brawn. And the designers like Newey. Not engine guys from Toyota replacing the engine guys who they won their last WDC and WCC with. Now they have spent two seasons and more money than ever on this car but the driver they put everything behind choked like a rookie for the first half of season and then now we see he is mentally breaking again today. Yes he got stuck and was in hard spot. But Button should not have gotten by him in first place and really there is no excuse for not being able to get around a slow rookie when you have the majority of the race in a faster car to do so. And now Massa is obviously a completely different driver from before the accident so that is another bad situation. How are they going to get another driver to replace Massa when it is obvious to everyone that they treat their 2nd drivers as "Barrichello"s who are not allowed to win races but have to hand over wins to their #1 instead?

What do you guys think Ferrari is going to do?