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Panktej
QUOTE (gaston_foix @ Sep 25 2010, 18:19) *
I don't think that engine is good for something. I remember Alonso blew his own in 1 Friday practice. I won't count that one. Still as one said, Massa can use a new engine and get his 10 places penalty for free...


Lets see what Ferrari can salvage by the end of the season....Felipe Massa is secured now, but the important man for them is Fernando...
Massa
Its official new engine for massa, very good move by the team. Now massa must pit in the first lap to change his tyre.
Mastah
QUOTE
Fernando Alonso (1st, Q3 - 1m 45.390s)
“Every pole position is important, but clearly, starting from the front in a race like this and at this point in the season is very important and gives one hope of being able to bring down the gap in the classification even more. Setting two pole positions in a row, at circuits as different as Monza and Singapore is a real boost, because it means that the car can be really competitive at every type of track. It was certainly not an easy day, but in qualifying we managed to get the very best out of the car, while I don’t think our main rivals could say the same. Honestly, I thought that the Red Bulls, which had dominated the weekend so far, would be out in front and that third was a realistic target but instead I am on pole: it’s almost like an Easter surprise! There was a tense moment in Q2 when something did not work as it should have done with the engine mapping, but once it was reprogrammed, everything was back to normal. The start will be very important tomorrow, but even more so will be the need to maintain total concentration for the 61 laps of a very long race that will be extremely demanding both physically and on the car. Track conditions will play a key role, because we have seen that some sections remain damp for a long time, so just a bit of rain even a few hours before the start, could change the situation. We must run our own race and I am sure we can bring home a good result: we are in the best possible position to succeed.”

Felipe Massa (24th, Q1 - no time)
I had a problem with the gearbox which seized unexpectedly, without giving any warning and so I had to stop out on the track: now we have to understand exactly what happened. We will change the engine as a precaution, also taking into account the fact I am last on the grid. I’m expecting to have a very complicated race, especially as we are at a track where overtaking is very difficult, but it’s true that anything can always happen: rain, safety car, who knows! I am very disappointed of course because today we had a very competitive car, as Fernando proved. I like this track but it seems that it does not bring me much luck…”

Stefano Domenicali, Ferrari team principal
“This was a day of truly contrasting emotions. We are very disappointed that a technical problem meant Felipe basically took no part in qualifying: tomorrow, he will face a very difficult race, as indeed will Fernando, although the outlook for him is very different, starting from pole position. He put in an exceptional qualifying performance, getting the very most out of the car and finding that little something extra to go quickest in Q3. Tomorrow, it will be important to get a good start and to make the right choices, especially with a question mark over the weather and the safety-car: above all, we have to bear in mind that reliability is the crucial element.”

Chris Dyer, Ferrari chief engineer
“What happened to Felipe is very disappointing. Fernando demonstrated the full potential of the F10 and it would have been nice to see both cars fighting for the top places. Unfortunately, there was a problem on the gearbox, the cause of which we have not fully identified yet, which meant Felipe had to stop out on track on his first timed lap. Fernando was really fantastic in qualifying: in Q3 he did two timed laps, both of which would have been good enough for pole, that were exceptional given what had happened up until the start of qualifying, as he had never managed to put together a clean lap on the soft tyres. The team did a great job to produce a car capable of fighting for pole. Tomorrow we can expect a very tough race on a track that does not pardon any mistakes. The management of the tyres will be interesting, as the degradation seems a bit more marked than in recent races, which means we might see some different strategies to usual.
F.M.
QUOTE (Massa @ Sep 25 2010, 17:44) *
Its official new engine for massa, very good move by the team. Now massa must pit in the first lap to change his tyre.

roflmao.gif "very good move by the team"

There would be no words to describe the decision to not put a 9th engine in his car
topical
QUOTE (Massa @ Sep 25 2010, 19:44) *
Its official new engine for massa, very good move by the team. Now massa must pit in the first lap to change his tyre.


With a safety car or two highly likely here, Massa can really get some decent points if he copies Alonso's Monaco strategy and the tyres hold out. That's assuming the race is dry.
Massa
With the scuderia we never know.. They can let massa run the race with his old engine. Tactically ferrari struggle a lot. So, its a good move. I hope for a safety car, massa must bring point at home. Alonso, i think he will win the race, his form is great, same for our car. Our car is fast everywhere, monza or singapoor. I really think our car is the most complete of the grid, no real weakness.
Mandzipop
QUOTE (Massa @ Sep 25 2010, 18:54) *
With the scuderia we never know.. They can let massa run the race with his old engine. Tactically ferrari struggle a lot.


The engine he has swapped cant be used again. So he still only has 2 engines. This one and the one used at Monza I think.
Mastah
Mandzipop - http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?show...p;#entry4608103
Mandzipop
QUOTE (Mastah @ Sep 25 2010, 19:02) *


My bad. It can only be used in Abu Dhabi.
Ferrari2183
Just got back from the pub. Damn I'm enjoying these poles...

Anyway, what happened with Alonso's 2nd run in Q3? IIRC he was marginally up on his own time at the end of S2...

Massa had some rotten luck today. frown.gif
Mastah
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Sep 25 2010, 20:24) *
Anyway, what happened with Alonso's 2nd run in Q3? IIRC he was marginally up on his own time at the end of S2...


S1 - 28.497 (personal best), S2 - 41.094, S3 - 35.854 = 1:45.445, which still would be enough for pole.
Panktej
Ferrari are celebrating Alonso's pole by sizzling some large steaks at the back of the motorhome. I'm hungry now.

- Sarahholt
Showty
QUOTE (AlanWake @ Sep 25 2010, 16:52) *
According to Marc Gene. Massa will copy Alonso's strategy in Monaco: He will start the race from the pit lane and pit in the first lap. Who knows? Maybe he could surprise us tomorrow like Alonso did but he will need luck (SC).


Well, he said he "believed" they´ll do that but since tomorrow looks like there would be some rain let´s wait to see it.

BTW, u gotta love Alonso´ skills, the way he felt something was wrong with the engine so they could fix it after could end up being the key for the weekend.
Anomnader
QUOTE (Showty @ Sep 25 2010, 20:10) *
BTW, u gotta love Alonso´ skills, the way he felt something was wrong with the engine so they could fix it after could end up being the key for the weekend.



You mean no other F1 driver is not able to feel something is wrong with theiir engine when its not performing! Alonsos a great driver but please!
Ferrari2183
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Sep 25 2010, 19:13) *
You mean no other F1 driver is not able to feel something is wrong with theiir engine when its not performing! Alonsos a great driver but please!

He handled himself really well today. Didn't panic... Finished his hotlap and then came in to have his maps reset.
Clatter
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Sep 25 2010, 18:56) *
The engine he has swapped cant be used again. So he still only has 2 engines. This one and the one used at Monza I think.


Wrong. The swapped engine can still be used for the last race. On the assumption that the engine is OK, this means the last race can be done with an engine that has only done one race rather than four.

Edit.
See you have already been corrected.
Anomnader
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Sep 25 2010, 20:19) *
He handled himself really well today. Didn't panic... Finished his hotlap and then came in to have his maps reset.



Amazing!! Yes every other driver would have just parked it! You've convinced me!
Seanspeed
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Sep 25 2010, 15:21) *
Amazing!! Yes every other driver would have just parked it! You've convinced me!

It wasn't just that. He really didn't get much running on low fuel and soft tires, lost a good amount of important dry running in FP2, had to worry about what went wrong with Massa's car, had a scare in Q2 that put a lot of pressure on him and the team to get everything right in time and then STILL put it on pole with what is probably only the 2nd fastest car.

Altogether, I think he put in a pretty noteworthy performance, not that I expect you to appreciate it like we do.
Ferrari2183
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Sep 25 2010, 19:21) *
Amazing!! Yes every other driver would have just parked it! You've convinced me!

What's up with you? Go back to your if this, if that, would of, could of, should of thread.
hotstickyslick
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Sep 25 2010, 20:29) *
What's up with you? Go back to your if this, if that, would of, could of, should of thread.

He's implying that other drivers probably would've done the same. Hamilton had to manually restart his KERS last year while in the lead at Singapore IIRC.
Mackey
I liked how Alonso answered Stella when he told him to enter the pits(when he reported the engine mapping problems). Something like: I think it´s better to post a time, then we enter the pits and try to fix the problem. Andrea was like: Ok, ok good idea xD
Ferrari2183
QUOTE (hotstickyslick @ Sep 25 2010, 19:37) *
He's implying that other drivers probably would've done the same. Hamilton had to manually restart his KERS last year while in the lead at Singapore IIRC.

I know exactly what he meant but his use of exclamation marks and sarcasm is uncalled for. I wasn't trying to convince him or anybody of anything. All I said was that Alonso handled himself really well today.
gaston_foix
QUOTE (Mackey @ Sep 25 2010, 19:40) *
I liked how Alonso answered Stella when he told him to enter the pits(when he reported the engine mapping problems). Something like: I think it´s better to post a time, then we enter the pits and try to fix the problem. Andrea was like: Ok, ok good idea xD


Me too...
zeus2
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Sep 25 2010, 18:24) *
Just got back from the pub. Damn I'm enjoying these poles...

Anyway, what happened with Alonso's 2nd run in Q3? IIRC he was marginally up on his own time at the end of S2...

Massa had some rotten luck today. frown.gif


I think he touched the barrier on the exit of one of the corners in the last sector, I remember the commentator shouted out 'ohhhh' or something to that effect. He was up by .111 of a second on his best time at that point if I remember correctly. Surprised no one noticed that and Alonso didn't mention anything about it in the presss conference. Anyway doesn't make a difference now. On another note, do you guys think that the front straight is long enough to pull off and overtake (I mean if everyone gets a reasonable start)?
topical
QUOTE (zeus2 @ Sep 25 2010, 22:32) *
I think he touched the barrier on the exit of one of the corners in the last sector, I remember the commentator shouted out 'ohhhh' or something to that effect. He was up by .111 of a second on his best time at that point if I remember correctly. Surprised no one noticed that and Alonso didn't mention anything about it in the presss conference. Anyway doesn't make a difference now. On another note, do you guys think that the front straight is long enough to pull off and overtake (I mean if everyone gets a reasonable start)?


With a Ferrari and two Red Bulls, plus a fast starting McLaren, it is highly unlikely everyone will get a good start. The last four races - in Germany Vettel got off sluggishly, in Hungary Webber (or was it Vettel?), in Spa Webber, and in Monza both Red Bulls and also Alonso had mixed starts. McLaren tend to be consistent on the other hand.
Whatever happens, I think there will be place changes going down to that first corner.
prty
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Sep 25 2010, 20:13) *
You mean no other F1 driver is not able to feel something is wrong with theiir engine when its not performing! Alonsos a great driver but please!


Of course they will feel it, but I think not all of them would have pointed out so quickly that it was something related to the engine map. That way, the engineers checked them, realised they weren't the latest version, so they could upgrade them to be able to do another lap, all within Q2. Had he said "there's something wrong with the engine" as you say, it was very posible that he had to complete Q2 or even Q3 without really knowing what the problem was, therefore no pole. That's why being precise in the feedback pays off.
undersquare
QUOTE (prty @ Sep 25 2010, 22:15) *
Of course they will feel it, but I think not all of them would have pointed out so quickly that it was something related to the engine map. That way, the engineers checked them, realised they weren't the latest version, so they could upgrade them to be able to do another lap, all within Q2. Had he said "there's something wrong with the engine" as you say, it was very posible that he had to complete Q2 or even Q3 without really knowing what the problem was, therefore no pole. That's why being precise in the feedback pays off.


Well they'd just changed the maps so making the connection when the engine started not pulling properly was not rocket science tongue.gif .

And I think the banker lap he did before coming in was not fast enough to be any use.

But it was a great Q from Fernando, I have to say.
Massacrator
I don't know why Fernando had to stop to reset the car, could he just ctrl+alt+supr?? roflmao.gif
prty
QUOTE (undersquare @ Sep 25 2010, 22:53) *
Well they'd just changed the maps so making the connection when the engine started not pulling properly was not rocket science tongue.gif .

And I think the banker lap he did before coming in was not fast enough to be any use.


Well, Gené was also impressed by it so it must not be as rocket science as you say.

If the banker lap was not enough (was done on hards anyway) then the more handy the correct maps came.
kryziuotis
QUOTE (undersquare @ Sep 26 2010, 00:53) *
And I think the banker lap he did before coming in was not fast enough to be any use.

In fact it was fast enough to get into Q3. Alonsos lap time was 1:47.557 and Kobayashi was the last driver to qualify to Q3 with 1:47.599.
undersquare
QUOTE (prty @ Sep 25 2010, 23:06) *
Well, Gené was also impressed by it so it must not be as rocket science as you say.


OK fair enough then smile.gif .

The lap was wasting precious time though...

edit : Oh wrong again I see blush.gif biggrin.gif
as65p
QUOTE (prty @ Sep 26 2010, 00:06) *
Well, Gené was also impressed by it so it must not be as rocket science as you say.

If the banker lap was not enough (was done on hards anyway) then the more handy the correct maps came.


Oh well, you just know days like this are really depressing for certain people. wink.gif

The BBC guys were pretty complimentary too, BTW, talking about it in the break between Q2 and Q3.
jonathanknevels
Someone has pics of the updates ?
lithium
QUOTE (jonathanknevels @ Sep 26 2010, 01:41) *
Someone has pics of the updates ?

Well they aren't that obvious and can be hardly seen... I think they brough a new floor, an updated diffuser, also something to do with the gearbox/suspension, I think.
Their aerodynamic updates seem to be rather minimal, I think.
FW (same as in Budapest?)


ViMaMo
Henrytheeigth
Wow! I wish air was visible so we could see it being abused during the races. Ah 2008 would have been best for that though...Thanks Viv smile.gif
Ferrari2183
QUOTE (vivian @ Sep 26 2010, 08:06) *

That's the Silverstone spec. The Singapore spec has the winglet on the endplate moved 8cm back.
ViMaMo
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Sep 26 2010, 13:56) *
That's the Silverstone spec. The Singapore spec has the winglet on the endplate moved 8cm back.


Nope, check the link. Its Singapore alright. Maybe they changed on Saturday. Its from friday
Ferrari2183
QUOTE (vivian @ Sep 26 2010, 09:15) *
Nope, check the link. Its Singapore alright. Maybe they changed on Saturday. Its from friday

Formula1.com has the technical analysis of the different wings available for Ferrari. Go check it out.
Mastah
Stefano to BBC: "Small updates for next two races and that's it".
Panktej
QUOTE (Mastah @ Sep 26 2010, 12:29) *
Stefano to BBC: "Small updates for next two races and that's it".



almost nothing for the last 2...
Mastah
QUOTE
InsideFerrari

Felipe has one an installation lap after he changed engine and gearbox

After the checks in the garage Felipe is going to the grid now


So they also changed gearbox and if there won't be any DNF from Felipe that means he will get last gearbox for Abu Dhabi.
magicon
We won! clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif clap.gif
Ferrari2183
Absolutely flawless. Great battle with Vettel...
roflcopter
Great job by our drivers today. That first Sc really ruined Massas strategy but at least we got a point.
JackTorrance
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


YEEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYE
cat.gif wave.gif drunk.gif



WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


WIN!!! WIN!!!!! WIN!!!!! WIN!!!!! WIN!!!!!! WIN!!!!


VERY WELL DONE FERRARI!!!!


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magicon
QUOTE (Mastah @ Sep 26 2010, 11:29) *
Stefano to BBC: "Small updates for next two races and that's it".

I think they are lying about this. They were trying so many experimental things.
Mastah
I heard those gearbox updates were tested for 2011.


Great victory by Fernando, Red Bull was faster but Ferrari reached finish line as first car up.gif. Shame that Felipe's strategy didn't pay off as Fred's in Monaco ohwell.gif.
Seanspeed
magicon
QUOTE (Mastah @ Sep 26 2010, 14:26) *
I heard those gearbox updates were tested for 2011.


Great victory by Fernando, Red Bull was faster but Ferrari reached finish line as first car up.gif. Shame that Felipe's strategy didn't pay off as Fred's in Monaco ohwell.gif.

OIC.

Yeah too bad about Felipe, difficult to do anything though when stuck behind slower cars.
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