lithium
Jul 28 2010, 05:47
QUOTE (vivian @ Jul 28 2010, 03:49)

Tombazis
Im glad we have this guy.
Does Hungary suit Ferrari?So people say, and I think they're right. Though quali is going to be very tough, RBR are very fast still.
FizzyJerk
Jul 28 2010, 12:23
QUOTE (Andy865 @ Jul 27 2010, 20:39)

Remember guys, sector three in particular has more fast corners than hockenheim does. I would be stunned if Ferrari can produce a similar performance. (In terms of pace that is!!!!!! haha.)
Also, any more news on this spa upgrade?? that first article has whetted my appetite.
Hi
Can any one provide a link to the above mentioned Spa upgrade article. I've looked back the last 3 pages, but I'm at work and haven't got time to search any further.
Thanks
Mandzipop
Jul 28 2010, 12:35
QUOTE (FizzyJerk @ Jul 28 2010, 13:23)

Hi
Can any one provide a link to the above mentioned Spa upgrade article. I've looked back the last 3 pages, but I'm at work and haven't got time to search any further.
Thanks
At Spa - Francorchamps , the Belgian GP in late August, the car Ferrari will so amended which indicate that the Maranello "two evolution. The news main cover 'saerodynamicsEspecially that of rear and especially area change. The shape of the transmission box conditions Indeed much of the state of airflows the bottom of the body . Remake , however, requires months of work. It is for this reason that the new transmission the F10 is used since the changes to discharges, namely those located more down introduced to European GP Valencia. It should also be noted that for a Regulation Transmission should last for four races in succession, excluding withdrawals . If nothing will happen in the next two Grands Prix , Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa will use the new exchange at Spa - Francorchamps. More updating that Ferrari will bring Belgium will be rear suspension with new geometry
http://www.auto.it/autosprint/formula_1/20...ri+evoluzione+2Thats a google translation.
Andy865
Jul 28 2010, 13:10
Bloody hell, a New Gearbox and rear suspension??!!
Yikes. I thought they (gearboxes) were homologated!?
and if they're changing the gearbox it must be with a new reprofiled diffuser. Sheesh, that's an absolutely massive change to make this late in the season. they didnt even bother with that level of effort with the F60 at all.
Wonder if they'll have a stepped one like red bull...
Ferrari2183
Jul 28 2010, 16:18
I don't think the gearbox is homologated.
I know that the tub and engine are.
gaston_foix
Jul 28 2010, 16:53
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Jul 28 2010, 12:35)

At Spa - Francorchamps , the Belgian GP in late August, the car Ferrari will so amended which indicate that the Maranello "two evolution. The news main cover 'saerodynamicsEspecially that of rear and especially area change. The shape of the transmission box conditions Indeed much of the state of airflows the bottom of the body . Remake , however, requires months of work. It is for this reason that the new transmission the F10 is used since the changes to discharges, namely those located more down introduced to European GP Valencia. It should also be noted that for a Regulation Transmission should last for four races in succession, excluding withdrawals . If nothing will happen in the next two Grands Prix , Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa will use the new exchange at Spa - Francorchamps. More updating that Ferrari will bring Belgium will be rear suspension with new geometry
http://www.auto.it/autosprint/formula_1/20...ri+evoluzione+2Thats a google translation.
Good news. There is still room for improvement...
JackTorrance
Jul 28 2010, 18:06
Does anyone have some good pictures of Ferraris front wing? (And no, im not working for Mclaren ;)
I just want to see what the fuzz is all about.
QUOTE (JackTorrance @ Jul 28 2010, 15:06)

Does anyone have some good pictures of Ferraris front wing? (And no, im not working for Mclaren ;)
I just want to see what the fuzz is all about.
Go to James Allen site, there's an article there, and for better pictures,there you will find a link to Darren Heath site
TheArmchairCritic
Jul 28 2010, 18:32
QUOTE (JackTorrance @ Jul 28 2010, 19:06)

Does anyone have some good pictures of Ferraris front wing? (And no, im not working for Mclaren ;)
I just want to see what the fuzz is all about.
Go Here
http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=128351 Page 6 has the money shots.
gaston_foix
Jul 28 2010, 18:36
QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Jul 27 2010, 21:39)

It certainly does look like Ferrari is the one team that really picked up on the other team's innovations the quickest and/or were quickest to adapt them. They deserve a big kudos for that. People talk about how Mclaren have the best engineers or whatever, but I really think Ferrari is underrated in this area.
And yea, the car
really does look good at this point. From what I saw, especially on the onboards, the car has a 'grace' to it. It looks so predictable, which is the sign of a car that is incredibly driveable. I think thats pretty amazing, cuz driveability is something that I think Mclaren have had over us for a few years now(aside from 2009), largely due to their engine and specialty in the mechanical grip of the car.
I'm not gonna get carried away, though. I think the tire situation at Hockenheim was always going to suit us, and it'll probably suit us again at Hungary. I think we might need to gain some ground still to be as good when they put a harder tire pairing on for a track.
I dont know. We'll see, I guess. Thats half the fun, aint it?

Yea we kinda need another one..
JackTorrance
Jul 28 2010, 19:04
What i miss is those helicopter views at Montreal when they showed the Ferrari and the Mclaren from the top down. The difference in braking and traction of the F10 vs the Mclaren car was huge. They will be very hard to beat at Hungary.
And thanks for the link. For all their pitwall troubles, Ferrari really turned a page on mid season development compared the previous years. Well done to the scuderia!
QUOTE (JackTorrance @ Jul 28 2010, 15:04)

What i miss is those helicopter views at Montreal when they showed the Ferrari and the Mclaren from the top down. The difference in braking and traction of the F10 vs the Mclaren car was huge. They will be very hard to beat at Hungary.
And thanks for the link. For all their pitwall troubles, Ferrari really turned a page on mid season development compared the previous years. Well done to the scuderia!
The F10 has improved significantly since Montreal.
Aerosoul
Jul 28 2010, 20:28
QUOTE (JackTorrance @ Jul 28 2010, 20:04)

What i miss is those helicopter views at Montreal when they showed the Ferrari and the Mclaren from the top down. The difference in braking and traction of the F10 vs the Mclaren car was huge. They will be very hard to beat at Hungary.
And thanks for the link. For all their pitwall troubles, Ferrari really turned a page on mid season development compared the previous years. Well done to the scuderia!
Who will be hard to beat?
JackTorrance
Jul 28 2010, 21:16
I thought the F10 was miles better at braking and traction. The huge speed of the mclaren made sure to keep it even.
QUOTE (JackTorrance @ Jul 28 2010, 22:16)

I thought the F10 was miles better at braking and traction. The huge speed of the mclaren made sure to keep it even.
I think you watched a different race mate!
Under braking the Mclaren was one of the best. And as far as top speed goes they were mid pack through the speed trap!
Seanspeed
Jul 28 2010, 22:13
QUOTE (PNSD @ Jul 28 2010, 17:35)

I think you watched a different race mate!
Under braking the Mclaren was one of the best. And as far as top speed goes they were mid pack through the speed trap!
I think they had more downforce on than normal, but they were still
very quick in a straight line during the race. I mean, when Lewis passed Alonso down the back straight, Alonso actually had the better run out of the corner, yet still got passed before they even entered the braking zone.
And yea, Mclaren has always made cars that allow their drivers to maximize their braking with relative comfort. This year is no different, and its not just Lewis that proves it, either.
Either way, I think the car is massively better now than it was then. We've got the potential to actually
dominate races now. I know Red Bull will always be strong, and I will never act too surprised if Mclaren looks great, either, but I think Hungary should be a place where we really thrive. Everything about it should suit our car.
Mastah
Jul 29 2010, 09:43
From new Autosport:
-front wing introduced in Silverstone decreases slightly overall downforce, but creates more stable airflow to the sidepods and the floor and allows exhaust blown diffuser to work more consistently
-after clarification of its legality, team is expected to introduce more complex evolutions of FW
-FW with modified endplates is expected to be introduced before the end of European season
QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Jul 29 2010, 00:13)

I think they had more downforce on than normal, but they were still very quick in a straight line during the race. I mean, when Lewis passed Alonso down the back straight, Alonso actually had the better run out of the corner, yet still got passed before they even entered the braking zone.
What get's overlooked often is that even on the tracks where McLaren balances their f-duct not for maximum top-speed but to allow for more wing = downforce, it's probably still an advantage during the acceleration phase, i.e. they might reach the same top speed as the others, but get there earlier on the straight. That's how it looked to me in Canada, and it's something the speed traps won't show.
seahawk
Jul 29 2010, 10:09
1 victory does not mean you have the fastest car.
Massacrator
Jul 29 2010, 10:18
QUOTE (seahawk @ Jul 29 2010, 12:09)

1 victory does not mean you have the fastest car.
1 victory with a good pace for all the round weekend shows that you can be there fighting to be the fastest car
Seanspeed
Jul 29 2010, 10:38
QUOTE (as65p @ Jul 29 2010, 05:48)

What get's overlooked often is that even on the tracks where McLaren balances their f-duct not for maximum top-speed but to allow for more wing = downforce, it's probably still an advantage during the acceleration phase, i.e. they might reach the same top speed as the others, but get there earlier on the straight. That's how it looked to me in Canada, and it's something the speed traps won't show.
Very true.
As someone called it in the Mclaren thread - AeroKERS.
Seanspeed
Jul 29 2010, 10:45
QUOTE (seahawk @ Jul 29 2010, 06:09)

1 victory does not mean you have the fastest car.
Well we *did* have the fastest car in Hockenheim, no doubt. I think this is pretty good evidence that our car is a contender now, especially after our recent improvements before this race, where we've had the clear 2nd best car in Silverstone, and probably tied with 2nd best at Valencia with Mclaren. Perhaps the track did suit us more than these other tracks, but we can expect more of these tracks that suit us in the coming season, starting with this weekend's Hungaroring race, and next at Singapore. We'll see what the car looks like after Spa, too, cuz we may well see us improve further into 'unquestionable' contenders. Wishful thinking maybe, but I think we've seen some good development so far and its looking like Ferrari really do know where to go with this car now.
jonathanknevels
Jul 29 2010, 21:07
Any updates from ferrari for this weekend ?
QUOTE (jonathanknevels @ Jul 29 2010, 21:07)

Any updates from ferrari for this weekend ?
Yes, but don't no what. But Massa did mention there would be some updates.
f1rules
Jul 29 2010, 21:19
I agree i exspect ferrari to be up there with rb this weekend. The development during the last three gp's is amazing.

for ferrari. If it will take mclaren a few races to catch the two at the front, we could have a very interesting last part of the season.
But

to ferrari, finally they delivered and so did their drivers.
Ferrari2183
Jul 29 2010, 21:29
I have high hopes for the Spa update. By the sound of it, it looks like Ferrari still have alot more potential with regard to the EBD. There is talk of front wing updates (endplates) after Spa as well. Interesting times lay ahead with Mclaren set to join the fight sooner rather than later. I would prefer Ferrari to dominate though.
lithium
Jul 29 2010, 21:57
I expect Ferrari to be very strong this weekend again. Though the most important thing is to get through it without any incidents, no bad starts or SC disasters... I hope all goes well, even if we don't win it.
Mandzipop
Jul 29 2010, 22:17
QUOTE (lithium @ Jul 29 2010, 22:57)

I expect Ferrari to be very strong this weekend again. Though the most important thing is to get through it without any incidents, no bad starts or SC disasters... I hope all goes well, even if we don't win it.
If the quali pace is as good as it was in Germany then I am optimistic. The track should suit the F10. Unfortunately it will also suit the Red Bull (is there a track that doesn't?) Our race-pace is better than the Red Bull, and the tyre's should suit Massa as well as Alonso. I'm hoping for 2 drivers on the podium. A 1-2 would be nice (very good for the WCC). On top of that it would really spice up the WDC.
redbarron
Jul 29 2010, 22:57
Although last weekends 1-2 was soured, its great to see us on top. We really need Massa to stay focused for the podium, if anything to keep the rivals point count down.
Here is to hoping for a 1-2 this weekend with no controversy!
RockyRaccoon68
Jul 30 2010, 01:29
I'm putting the controversy of last weekend out of my mind now, as the great man sang "Don't live in the past, don't hold on to something thats changing fast!"
Great to see the F10 back on top last weekend, I feel the hope that I felt after Bahrain. Lets hope for another 1-2 and get the WDC and WCC back on track, we can still take both!
Also Feliz CumpleaƱos Fernando, lets celebrate it with a win.
aditya-now
Jul 30 2010, 06:10
QUOTE (RockyRaccoon68 @ Jul 30 2010, 03:29)

I'm putting the controversy of last weekend out of my mind now, as the great man sang "Don't live in the past, don't hold on to something thats changing fast!"
Great to see the F10 back on top last weekend, I feel the hope that I felt after Bahrain. Lets hope for another 1-2 and get the WDC and WCC back on track, we can still take both!
Also Feliz CumpleaƱos Fernando, lets celebrate it with a win.
+1
Exactly my thoughts!
lithium
Jul 30 2010, 06:11
QUOTE (redbarron @ Jul 30 2010, 00:57)

Although last weekends 1-2 was soured, its great to see us on top. We really need Massa to stay focused for the podium, if anything to keep the rivals point count down.
Here is to hoping for a 1-2 this weekend with no controversy!
I'm sure Massa will be motivated more than ever, so i don't see this as an issue. Will he be fast enough, that is another question, but hopefully all will be ok.
For some reason I just don't see us doing another 1.2. this weekend, even with a very fast car... I hope I'm wrong, but 1.2. for two consecutive weekends doesn't happen very often! Especially when your rivals have a car just as fast as you... Hopefully I'm wrong! But myself I would be very satisfied to see both our drivers on the podium, no matter if we win it or not.

Most importantly, we need to finish the race up in the high points, that is all.
Ferrari2183
Jul 30 2010, 06:32
QUOTE (lithium @ Jul 30 2010, 07:11)

I'm sure Massa will be motivated more than ever, so i don't see this as an issue. Will he be fast enough, that is another question, but hopefully all will be ok.
For some reason I just don't see us doing another 1.2. this weekend, even with a very fast car... I hope I'm wrong, but 1.2. for two consecutive weekends doesn't happen very often! Especially when your rivals have a car just as fast as you... Hopefully I'm wrong! But myself I would be very satisfied to see both our drivers on the podium, no matter if we win it or not.

Most importantly, we need to finish the race up in the high points, that is all.
Lets not kid ourselves, Fernando needs to win... It is the only way to bring the gap down with this points system. He needs to get in there.
lithium
Jul 30 2010, 06:46
QUOTE (Ferrari2183 @ Jul 30 2010, 08:32)

Lets not kid ourselves, Fernando needs to win... It is the only way to bring the gap down with this points system. He needs to get in there.
Well, I think he needs to be on the podium at the very least, and, more importantly, Vettel/Webber/McLarens should finish behind him. Another win would be epic, but it will not be easy.
- Back to old frontwing. Sounds like autosport is correct thus.
QUOTE (Mastah @ Jul 29 2010, 09:43)

front wing introduced in Silverstone decreases slightly overall downforce, but creates more stable airflow to the sidepods and the floor and allows exhaust blown diffuser to work more consistently
- Straight rearwing, no slot
zaviali
Jul 30 2010, 08:05
QUOTE (F.M. @ Jul 30 2010, 09:02)

Back to old frontwing
Straight rearwing, no slot
Hi....If you are watching it online or anyone there can someone please PM me with the link
Best Rgrds
Zavi
Mastah
Jul 30 2010, 08:13
QUOTE
InsideFerrari
Main goal of this morning will be an evaluation of different front wings and solutions for the coming races
lithium
Jul 30 2010, 08:19
QUOTE (F.M. @ Jul 30 2010, 10:02)

- Back to old frontwing. Sounds like autosport is correct thus.
- Straight rearwing, no slot
Interesting, thx for the info.
Mastah
Jul 30 2010, 08:37
QUOTE
InsideFerrari
The programme will go on with Felipe testing the car without the blown rear wing
Alonso:
- new front wing
- slotted rear wing
- blown rear wing
Massa:
- old front wing
- straight rear wing (ends are swept upwards)
- no blown rear wing
Interesting fact: Massa is faster through the speed trap for now
lithium
Jul 30 2010, 09:07
QUOTE
InsideFerrari
The programme will go on with Felipe testing the car without the blown rear wing
Strange, I though they were convinced that it works well and doesn't disadvantage them anymore. I guess not really...
jonathanknevels
Jul 30 2010, 10:06
Alonso's last lap had a good S1, but then nothing in S2 and S3. Ferrari will be there along with Redbull

Allso i found that Alonso was shifting strange, maybe probs on the transmission or not fully loading the trans/engine
QUOTE (F.M. @ Jul 30 2010, 08:38)

Alonso:
- new front wing
- slotted rear wing
- blown rear wing
Massa:
- old front wing
- straight rear wing (ends are swept upwards)
- no blown rear wing
Interesting fact: Massa is faster through the speed trap for now
BS
QUOTE
The team spent this session concentrating on aero testing: Felipe drove with and without the blown rear wing, looking for the best qualifying set-up.
http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/Ne...epractice1.aspx
Gareth
Jul 30 2010, 11:30
ghost - look at the post timing ... Are you sure Felipe ran with both wings in the first 38 mins of practice?
QUOTE (Gareth @ Jul 30 2010, 11:30)

ghost - look at the post timing ... Are you sure Felipe ran with both wings in the first 38 mins of practice?
Are they telling us lies once again?
Andy865
Jul 30 2010, 11:52
You must be kidding.
Sigh
Enzoluis
Jul 30 2010, 11:58
QUOTE (lithium @ Jul 29 2010, 21:07)

Strange, I though they were convinced that it works well and doesn't disadvantage them anymore. I guess not really...
I guess the advantage to have it at hungaroring is very marginal.
QUOTE (ghost @ Jul 30 2010, 11:27)

At the moment I typed it, it wasn't BS

Both cars will start FP2 without the system, same goes for Red Bull.
Ex-McLaren man Pat Fry is wearing Ferrari's red for the first time this weekend.
Gareth
Jul 30 2010, 13:40
QUOTE (ghost @ Jul 30 2010, 12:36)

Are they telling us lies once again?

No, this:
QUOTE (F.M. @ Jul 30 2010, 12:59)

At the moment I typed it, it wasn't BS

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