MichaelPM
Jan 20 2010, 19:04
Wouldn't the testing ban forbid Alonso from driving the car? perhaps they gave his helmet to a young driver???
I certainly didn't hear of Alonso driving a Ferrari yet outside the new simulator.
Mackey
Jan 20 2010, 19:05
QUOTE (MichaelPM @ Jan 20 2010, 19:48)

Is that photoshopped?
Nope. Alonso drove the F60 in Paul Ricard some days ago for a promotional event.
Source
BunnyK
Jan 20 2010, 19:18
It's not that bad but an all red ferrari will always look better (funny how fans forget the old vodafone livery

)
I suppose they photoshopped the F60 both in full red and in white and red and Santander logo was better to spot on a white background
Mandzipop
Jan 20 2010, 19:19
QUOTE (Mackey @ Jan 20 2010, 19:05)

Nope. Alonso drove the F60 in Paul Ricard some days ago for a promotional event.
SourcePoor guy.
Mackey
Jan 20 2010, 19:21
QUOTE (Mandzipop @ Jan 20 2010, 20:19)

Poor guy.
ConsiderAndGo
Jan 20 2010, 19:22
QUOTE (Mackey @ Jan 20 2010, 19:21)

..... the F60
ConsiderAndGo
Jan 20 2010, 19:27
Mastah
Jan 20 2010, 19:37
QUOTE (ConsiderAndGo @ Jan 20 2010, 20:27)

their
they are or
they'reTesting rules need to be changed because it's ridiculous

. Gaining confidence my ass, Felipe will probably test improvements in fuel consumption and some minor parts.
Vids21
Jan 20 2010, 19:38
QUOTE (ConsiderAndGo @ Jan 20 2010, 20:22)

..... the F60
Well anything is better than his Renault from last year.
Showty
Jan 20 2010, 19:40
Showty
Jan 20 2010, 19:46
QUOTE (Mackey @ Jan 20 2010, 20:05)

Nope. Alonso drove the F60 in Paul Ricard some days ago for a promotional event.
SourceAccording to EFE Fernando drove the car specifically for this Santander event today, so the livery is legit.
I think it would have looked much better with red wings, but i guess being white it hits you right away.
Vids21
Jan 20 2010, 19:46
Good god, how much is Santander paying? Every part of the car is filled with a sticker...
Marlboro and Shell look like small sponsors compared to Santander.
Mandzipop
Jan 20 2010, 19:51
QUOTE (Vids21 @ Jan 20 2010, 19:38)

Well anything is better than his Renault from last year.
Valid point. Still not much of an upgrade tho.
MadYarpen
Jan 20 2010, 19:59
And I like it. Maybe i have something f*cked up with my head, but I like changes.
Korben82
Jan 20 2010, 20:03
QUOTE (Showty @ Jan 20 2010, 22:40)

Holy mother of christ... talk about overkill...
Dino Scuderia
Jan 20 2010, 20:14
holy cow thats ugly

What's the difference?
ConsiderAndGo
Jan 20 2010, 20:30
QUOTE (prty @ Jan 20 2010, 20:25)


What's the difference?
Nothing?
It looks really cool now, much better than all red.
bonneville
Jan 20 2010, 20:43
QUOTE (Shevek @ Jan 20 2010, 18:28)

Here is a clearer picture:

Be it an F60 or an F281, how is that in agreement with the test ban ? I thought there was simply no running whatsoever before 1st Feb.
Then we got the Schumacher exception who was allowed to drive a GP2. Then Rossi driving a Ferrari clienti fitted with GP2 tires.
I fail to understand how Alonso doing one or two laps at Paul Ricard could suit FOTA and the FIA?
Mastah
Jan 20 2010, 20:50
That's how

QUOTE
22.1 a) Track testing shall be considered any track running time undertaken by a competitor entered in the Championship with the exception of :
i) promotional or demonstration events carried out using tyres provided specifically for this purpose by the appointed supplier
maverick69
Jan 20 2010, 20:50
QUOTE (bonneville @ Jan 20 2010, 20:43)

Be it an F60 or an F281, how is that in agreement with the test ban ? I thought there was simply no running whatsoever before 1st Feb.
Then we got the Schumacher exception who was allowed to drive a GP2. Then Rossi driving a Ferrari clienti fitted with GP2 tires.
I fail to understand how Alonso doing one or two laps at Paul Ricard could suit FOTA and the FIA?
You're allowed to do a limited amount of promotional stuff. You also have to chug around with the pit limiter on and tyres made of granite.
* edit: You only need the limiter when turning around on straight line testing.
Slowinfastout
Jan 20 2010, 20:56
QUOTE (bonneville @ Jan 20 2010, 15:43)

I fail to understand how Alonso doing one or two laps at Paul Ricard could suit FOTA and the FIA?
It's all in the regulations. AFAIK there would be absolutely no rule bending involved here..
Look for article 22 of the sporting regulations.
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations...ampionship.aspx
bonneville
Jan 20 2010, 21:17
QUOTE (HarryReams @ Jan 20 2010, 20:50)

You're allowed to do a limited amount of promotional stuff. You also have to chug around with the pit limiter on and tyres made of granite.
* edit: You only need the limiter when turning around on straight line testing.
Thanks for the clarification.
But how does this one is legal then?
QUOTE (New York Times Richard Chang after witnessing Rossi s test today)
Meanwhile, Ferrari announced that driver Felipe Massa will hit the track on Friday after Rossi leaves. Massa will takeover behind the wheel of the F2008 — the same car that he and Kimi Raikkonen drove to the constructors’ championship in 2008.
“As the car and the track were available I thought it would be helpful to go onto the track for a day to continue gaining confidence with the Formula One,” Massa said. “After the days in Fiorano and Mugello this will be a nice opportunity to get back driving on such an interesting and challenging track.”
(
source)
Victor_RO
Jan 20 2010, 21:20
QUOTE (bonneville @ Jan 20 2010, 23:17)

Thanks for the clarification.
But how does this one is legal then?
(
source)
Probably because that car no longer conforms to the current technical regulations, so running it provides absolutely **** all towards the development of the current car. If you feel that it's illegal, then you can extrapolate and say that running a 412T1 or a 641 in a historic F1 event would be breaking the testing ban as well. But... okay, maybe it's not good to extrapolate like that.
JarnoA
Jan 20 2010, 21:22
QUOTE (bonneville @ Jan 20 2010, 21:17)

Thanks for the clarification.
But how does this one is legal then?
(
source)
Client car, (2008), fitted with GP2 tyres.
bonneville
Jan 20 2010, 21:22
I quite like the new livery. (Unlike many here)
But how about a two minute photoshop to evaluate black or red wings...
Showty
Jan 20 2010, 21:23
QUOTE (Vids21 @ Jan 20 2010, 20:46)

Good god, how much is Santander paying? Every part of the car is filled with a sticker...
Marlboro and Shell look like small sponsors compared to Santander.
According to El Mundo Santander pays 40 millions per year.
Seanspeed
Jan 20 2010, 21:24
QUOTE (Victor_RO @ Jan 20 2010, 16:20)

Probably because that car no longer conforms to the current technical regulations, so running it provides absolutely **** all towards the development of the current car.
I imagine that all the teams had to agree to let Massa do the tests, and I doubt any of em had any problem with it due to the circumstances AND because the car is fairly irrelevant to this year's.
johnmhinds
Jan 20 2010, 21:25
Where the hell is Santander ever going to use pictures of last years car with this years livery in their promotional material?
This years car is probably going to look a lot different to last year, so those photos are useless to Santander.
If they just wanted to see how the desgin layout would look it could have been done in half an hour with photoshop.
This all seems very fishy.
MadYarpen
Jan 20 2010, 21:25
QUOTE (bonneville @ Jan 20 2010, 22:22)

I quite like the new livery. (Unlike many here)
But how about a two minute photoshop to evaluate black or red wings...

with all respect, it looks like shit. I mean, black wings wold be great, but we need a proper photo or more realistic photoshopped one;)
Mandzipop
Jan 20 2010, 21:26
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Jan 20 2010, 21:22)

Client car, (2008), fitted with GP2 tyres.
Its one way round the testing ban in a fashion. Although they aren't testing the 2010 car, at least they are getting themselves back into F1 mode. Didn't Senna mentionn one time that he felt rusty after the winter break?
JarnoA
Jan 20 2010, 21:29
QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Jan 20 2010, 21:24)

I imagine that all the teams had to agree to let Massa do the tests, and I doubt any of em had any problem with it due to the circumstances AND because the car is fairly irrelevant to this year's.
There is nothing to stop any team from running a 2 year old car with GP2 tyres. When Williams and Red Bull prevented Michael from testing prior to his aborted comeback, he was still able to use a client car with GP2 tyres. It has no impact on their car improvement, so nobody cares or could do anything about it. Any driver could pay to drive a Formula 1 car around a number of tracks. It costs a couple of thousand quid, and is available to buy as an "experience" voucher.
It just wouldn't be a current F1 car with current F1 tyres, so would be useless to car development.
F1Champion
Jan 20 2010, 21:33
Does that mean that Marlboro are gone? Or is this a Santander advert they're filming with the logos replacing the Marlboro ones?
I really don't like that livery. Too much white on the wings, at least with the Marlboro, it was mixed in better and the 04 car livery looked better than this.
Seanspeed
Jan 20 2010, 21:33
QUOTE (johnmhinds @ Jan 20 2010, 16:25)

Where the hell is Santander ever going to use pictures of last years car with this years livery in their promotional material?
This years car is probably going to look a lot different to last year, so those photos are useless to Santander.
If they just wanted to see how the desgin layout would look it could have been done in half an hour with photoshop.
This all seems very fishy.
This year's car may look a lot different(or may not), but the front and rear wings will not change drastically to where this 'livery' would be misleading, ya know? There will still be large planes on both wings where advertising space will be clear and visible. Saying they're useless is quite dramatic, I'd say.
Anyways, I'm in agreement that white-on-red isn't Ferrari's best look, but I can tolerate it. But if I had my way, I'd go back to black-on-red. Just looks so eeeevil.
Seanspeed
Jan 20 2010, 21:38
QUOTE (JarnoA @ Jan 20 2010, 16:29)

There is nothing to stop any team from running a 2 year old car with GP2 tyres. When Williams and Red Bull prevented Michael from testing prior to his aborted comeback, he was still able to use a client car with GP2 tyres. It has no impact on their car improvement, so nobody cares or could do anything about it. Any driver could pay to drive a Formula 1 car around a number of tracks. It costs a couple of thousand quid, and is available to buy as an "experience" voucher.
It just wouldn't be a current F1 car with current F1 tyres, so would be useless to car development.
I thought I remember something where the teams had to agree to let (somebody) test with a couple year old car, but I could be wrong.
QUOTE (ConsiderAndGo @ Jan 20 2010, 14:27)

seems odd. i guess felipe is not convinced he is back to his old self or ferrari would like to evaluate some internal parts for fuel efficiency.
jetalt
Jan 20 2010, 22:01
JarnoA
Jan 20 2010, 22:03
QUOTE (Seanspeed @ Jan 20 2010, 21:38)

I thought I remember something where the teams had to agree to let (somebody) test with a couple year old car, but I could be wrong.
No, the teams need to agree to let anybody test with a current car, (which Williams and Red Bull declined to do for MS, hence him having to test a client car with GP2 tyres).
MichaelPM
Jan 21 2010, 00:38
QUOTE (prty @ Jan 20 2010, 20:25)

What's the difference?
Alonso
QUOTE (BiH @ Jan 20 2010, 22:59)

seems odd. i guess felipe is not convinced he is back to his old self or ferrari would like to evaluate some internal parts for fuel efficiency.
Agreed. They are taking advantage of justifiable need to get Massa more mileage, but I'm sure they are trying out new stuff for 2010. I would, if I were them.
I wonder if this livery was devised only for the Santander event. I'm wondering if the real livery will be different when they unveil the car next week. I hope so. I do hate white on F1 cars.
i thought barge boards were banned? how come that picture has them
QUOTE (jey16 @ Jan 21 2010, 01:40)

i thought barge boards were banned? how come that picture has them
Barge boards as such are not banned. Bodywork in certain area's such as where bargeboards used to be is banned, however this bargeboard as shown above is allowed because it is not in the area where bodywork is banned. Most the teams have them/
muramasa
Jan 21 2010, 06:41
who knows they are testing various new internal components on F2008 and F60?
i'm sure they are!
postajegenye
Jan 21 2010, 07:03
Massa has been getting quite a lot of testing time now... I'm surprised the other teams have not complained. The other drivers haven't driven an F1 car in the last 3 months, I guess Massa will be quite prepared physichally for the February test!
I guess prolly they gonna try some internal solutions (like it was reported during last f2007 test), oil compositions, stuff around/regarding engine, etc...
pikamoku
Jan 21 2010, 07:54
QUOTE (Showty @ Jan 20 2010, 22:23)

QUOTE (Vids21 @ Jan 20 2010, 20:46)

Good god, how much is Santander paying? Every part of the car is filled with a sticker...
Marlboro and Shell look like small sponsors compared to Santander.
According to El Mundo Santander pays 40 millions per year.
+ Mclaren deal
+ title sponsor of Great Britain, Italia, Brasil, España and European GPs
that's a lot of money, but hey, they're a bank
The marketing guys of Santander have seen something in F1 that gives them a big return and profits
Buckethead
Jan 21 2010, 07:57
Livery looks great! Much better than boring all-red
David1976
Jan 21 2010, 09:17
QUOTE (bonneville @ Jan 20 2010, 21:22)

I quite like the new livery. (Unlike many here)
But how about a two minute photoshop to evaluate black or red wings...

I hate the new livery, but your photo shop with black wings looks great! Like the 80's Ferrari F1's.
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