What do you guys think of this white strip + italian flag livery?

I only have seven, eight days of testing in February

I know that perhaps in the first three, four races we will not be 100 per cent adjusted to the car and to the team. But from race three or four I'm sure we will be able to see the best version of Alonso as well as the best version of Ferrari.

What do you guys think of this white strip + italian flag livery?

Haha, Alonso says Ferrari is his last team. Just like Raikkonen said 2 years ago!!

Mmmmm…

Alonso said today in the press conference: ""But from race three or four I'm sure we will be able to see the best version of Alonso as well as the best version of Ferrari."

So, can I suppose that the rumors are true?

Commenting about Alonso interview and about this answer, Leo Turrini, another italian insider, confirm in his blog that that are rumors that the very first data that came from the new car would not be "enthusiastic"… (LINK)

MaxMove wanted to know if the new simulator has been used for the new car: "We just started with the work so it didn’t have any influence on the single-seater’s planning, but it will during it’s development during the season.”

Nicko asked what has been done to avoid the bad starts, we could see over the last years: “We’re working very hard here. A good start is very important and we’ve learned our lesson. We’re using the test stand a lot to prepare ourselves the best possible way.”

Schumi17, Prancing Horse and others wanted to know something about the new car: “The first data is very positive. We’ll have an important test in the wind tunnel next week where we will compare the models of the two cars to get a more precise idea about where we stand. We worked on the aerodynamics and the double diffusor concept. Having said that, we have to wait for the first tests to see how the performance levels look on the track."

Alonso said today in the press conference: “"But from race three or four I'm sure we will be able to see the best version of Alonso as well as the best version of Ferrari."

So, can I suppose that the rumors are true?

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/...Domenicali.aspx



Good, I guess.



Bad starts? I don't remember any really bad start from Ferrari driver, at least in last few years .



They will compare F2010 with F60?

“The first data is very positive. We’ll have an important test in the wind tunnel next week where we will compare the models of the two cars to get a more precise idea about where we stand. We worked on the aerodynamics and the double diffusor concept. Having said that, we have to wait for the first tests to see how the performance levels look on the track."

The way I see it, the most likely situations with this rumor are:

a) Its BS and Ferrari are just fine.

b) Its true and its a complete disaster.

2, Massa started on P4 in Barcelona with a long straight ahead and KERS, yet only picked off Vettel. Kimi had some shockers in 2007 and 2008, before they hit the launch mode spot-on, and even in 2009 he was awful off the line in Monaco (where dirty side don't mean as much as on other tracks).

when i see the car with a birdcage, a 2008 rear wing and green paint on it then i will begin to get worried.

Well, AFAIR Felipe hasn't lost any position (!) at start since beginning of 2008, so it was more like Kimi having problems, than Ferrari having bad starts. And in Spain Felipe probably had some KERS issue at the start, because he overtook Seb without any boost and only then used KERS for a second or two.

Mmmmm…

Alonso said today in the press conference: “"But from race three or four I'm sure we will be able to see the best version of Alonso as well as the best version of Ferrari."

So, can I suppose that the rumors are true?

Commenting about Alonso interview and about this answer, Leo Turrini, another italian insider, confirm in his blog that that are rumors that the very first data that came from the new car would not be “enthusiastic”… (LINK)

Yes, they are. They are sensationalist like any tabloid, but they DO have insider sources.Of course, first of all in German teams.

There's also option c) the rumours are true but Ferrari set their target figures way too high compared to whether the competion is at, so they are actually just fine (only they don't know it).

I think he was meaning he´ll struggle and that he´ll need a few races to get the best out of the car due to the lack of enough days, he also said that the others team will also start to show their best version from Barcelona.

Later he talked to some spanish radios and he said that the new Ferrari would be an easy car to drive.

I also read in Marca that the biggest concern Ferrari has is the fuel consumption, they think Mercedes and Renault powered teams can finish the races with 10 kgs of fuel less than Ferrari, Dennis Chevrier, who was at Madonna DC, said Alonso´s skills to save fuel would help Ferrari a lot.

Well there's probably more options than even that, but I dont think any of them to be very likely.

When a team says they lack 'aero efficiency', its not just a lack of downforce, but also a lack of balance in the downforce, which makes for a particularly untidy handling characteristic.

"Aero efficiency" is basically measured by the lift/drag ratio: So if the 281 is "inefficient" then the downforce it's producing is coming at an unforseen cost in drag... making it slower than expected down the straights and more thirsty (bad and very bad).

Only top speed is affected by drag, not consumption.

I spoke to a friend of mine, he does not work for ferrari but collaborates with them for road cars and saw some cad images of how the car will be. He says there's some worry about the new ferrari. that's because the new car is gonna be very different from the F60, the project is extreme and some solutions are pretty aggressive. The air box zone should be quite innovative for example. About the engine, they think they are at a good point with fuel consumption. each team working at the different parts of the car know nothing about the other teams, everything is been kept absolutely secret in the factory. Anyway as said, what they fear at the moment, is that they "bit off more that they could chew", let's say.

Drag makes a difference when you're driving your mommy's car at 100 km/h. If your mommy's car has more drag than, say, your daddy's car, you have to give it a bit more gas, so you get higher fuel consumption. Unlike F1 when your gas pedal is buried to the floor all day long.

Only impact on fuel consumption is the efficiency of the engine - not drag.

I don't think we'll see one team dominate the start of the year.

Drag makes a difference when you're driving your mommy's car at 100 km/h. If your mommy's car has more drag than, say, your daddy's car, you have to give it a bit more gas, so you get higher fuel consumption. Unlike F1 when your gas pedal is buried to the floor all day long.

Only impact on fuel consumption is the efficiency of the engine - not drag.

Only top speed is affected by drag, not consumption.

I actually disagree.

When your are accelerating or using the steep torque Coeff of Drag impacts in two ways

1 - It makes the car go slightly slower, to counter that different engine maps are used to boost acceleration. This increases fuel consumption. (compare figures across McLaren , Brawn and Force India)
2 - Coeff of Drag generally impacts what engine maps you choose during fuel-conservation runs (while leading, behind a safety-car or in rain) and a higher Coeff of Drag compromises the best engine maps you could run and worse your competitor might be running.

Drag makes a difference when you're driving your mommy's car at 100 km/h. If your mommy's car has more drag than, say, your daddy's car, you have to give it a bit more gas, so you get higher fuel consumption. Unlike F1 when your gas pedal is buried to the floor all day long.

Only impact on fuel consumption is the efficiency of the engine - not drag.

How about the following as an additional one:

1. two, cars A and B, that can go round a given corner at 50mph because they have the same downforce/grip etc and have the same power

2. car A has more drag than car B

As I see it, car A will approach the corner at greater speed than car B thanks to its lower drag. Car A will therefore come off the throttle earlier to hit the brakes and get down to 50mph in time for the corner. Hence car A will be on full throttle for less time and therefore use less fuel.

Have I got that completely wrong or is the effect so marginal as to not make a meaningful difference on consumption or is it right and drag does have an affect?

How about the following as an additional one:

1. two, cars A and B, that can go round a given corner at 50mph because they have the same downforce/grip etc and have the same power

2. car A has more drag than car B

As I see it, car A will approach the corner at greater speed than car B thanks to its lower drag. Car A will therefore come off the throttle earlier to hit the brakes and get down to 50mph in time for the corner. Hence car A will be on full throttle for less time and therefore use less fuel.

Have I got that completely wrong or is the effect so marginal as to not make a meaningful difference on consumption or is it right and drag does have an affect?

(...)they "bit off more that they could chew"

That break has got to be bloody long for me to even get to the end of leg 2, let alone it be a fair test ...

I'll run 30 yards then amble about whilst a scrum or lineout forms, but I ain't running a mile. Even for a Kit Kat!

I spoke to a friend of mine, he does not work for ferrari but collaborates with them for road cars and saw some cad images of how the car will be. He says there's some worry about the new ferrari. that's because the new car is gonna be very different from the F60, the project is extreme and some solutions are pretty aggressive. The air box zone should be quite innovative for example. About the engine, they think they are at a good point with fuel consumption. each team working at the different parts of the car know nothing about the other teams, everything is been kept absolutely secret in the factory. Anyway as said, what they fear at the moment, is that they "bit off more that they could chew", let's say.

This is what an user of an italian f1 forum says about the new ferrari. i translate it from italian

Whatever concerns there may be about the new Ferrari, the bottom line remains how it performs in testing. It may well be that Ferrari have gone in the right direction with the development and the car could be very fast. I take all rumours with a sense of reservation. It's imposssible to say which team will have the fastest car, and we will probably only find that out for sure in last minute of qualifying in Bahrain.