MSa says there are rumours that also the new Ferrari lacks aero efficiency and that there´s already a plan to introduce a B-Version in June...

So there's already plans to introduce a B-car to the A-car that they've been developing since *last* June?

You'd think at this point that they'd just go for the *B* plan right now and get that one ready for the beginning of the season.

....if true, of course, which I have doubts cuz its kinda strange.

Presumably it can only lack aero efficiency relative to some newer Ferrari design than the one they've built. They can't know how it stacks up against any other team yet, you wouldn't think.

MSa is motorsport aktuell right? they're usually pretty accurate IIRC :(

Maybe they slowly started to realize that their targets were too conservative, again. According to some news reports, some teams are expected to exceed downforce levels reached at the end of 2008!!!

A return to the Ferrari team of the 80's?

I find it hard to believe aswell, where did these rumours come from and how come its not so widespread.

As said, until testing against other teams surly it'll be hard to fully gauge performance in comparision to everyone else. If it was true I'm not sure it would have leaked either, unless they're getting the sandbags in early...

Any link?

No, sorry. It´s only in the print magazine so far.
Usually MSa really knows what´s going on, especially at the Ferrari camp.

So there effectivly saying the season is over before its begun.

Wicked

If Ferrari fails this season, I expect Domenico to get fired.
Finally!

Theres still over 2 months to go, if they needed to do a B car I'd presume that would be able to have one ready before June, I'd expect soon for the first race.

so scan the magazine and post it here

what happened to Ferrari on f1network?

that is interesting if true. if they do plan to introduce a "b" version in june that will be what round 8 of the championship by that time it will be to late if the "a" version of the car lacks performance like the F60

So just believe it.

Which is why its kinda hard to believe. Cant imagine they'd have been working this long on the car for them to only *now* realize they've gotta build a new one, which wont be done for another 6 months.

I reckon its scaremongering in an attempt to lull the other teams into a false sense of security, and then, BAM Ferrari destroy them.

Looking carefully at the recent illustration, there is some fairly aggressive approaches the designers have taken.

I wouldnt worry about it now anyway, wait untill testing begins

There´s a chat with Stefano tomorrow afternoon on ferrari.com, so we can just ask him if they f*cked up again

He will also we revealing the official launch date of the F2010

agree. it doesn't make sense. ferrari always brings significant updates to the spanish grand prix it wouldn't make sense that they would put it off till june.

The way the fuel tank is fitted and designed (along with some other parts which have been moved) is going to be an eye-opener for a lot of designers on the grid. That's the future. It's going to be the biggest revolution in the sport by Ferrari since the semi auto paddle shift. Will it deliver? No one can know that answer right now. But it's the future. Yup, it is designed with KERS in mind for the future.

The team that will come close to hitting the Bull's Eye in terms of weigh distribution will own this season. Ferrari are doing pretty good in that department right now. Cars will do approx. half a race distance with a fuel load heavier than at the start of races last year. If you don't get the weight distribution right with the design then you'll never catch up.

Do you have any technical information to support such a opinion or was it a dream? I also don't think Ferrari is unique in having great designers, I'm sure that there is a lot of teams up and down the grid who have equal ability and all can either surprise or disapoint in equal measure.

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Do you have any technical information to support such a opinion or was it a dream? I also don't think Ferrari is unique in having great designers, I'm sure that there is a lot of teams up and down the grid who have equal ability and all can either surprise or disapoint in equal measure.
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Maybe a "lot" is an exaggeration. Don't fret, the season is not over yet....

Not fretting over the words of VicR, but if you're going to make such profound and totally new statements it would be nice to see a bit of backup.

I agree on that. Domenicali was quoted though, that the new car is quite revolutinary. Maybe this is what he was referring to. On the ot5her hand, he said that 2 years ago also.

Well, theres being two statements today.

1. Ferrari are building a dud and are already designing a B car.
2. Ferrari have developed the most advanced car ever.

so -1/+1 equals 0. Let's do like nothing happened and wait for the first tests....

The MSa article,

Scan the magazine or take a photo of it with your digital camera.

Sounds like BS or misinterpretation to me. There have been nothing but positive signs. This would be very surprising, if there's news of a dud Ferrari before the car has even hits the track. Ferrari always introduce major updates at the Spanish GP, so if the article says June, to me that is total crap.

Please scan the article or provide the text from it.

I think MSa made a mistake. There are two chassis, A and B, A is going to be used for Homologation and B will be tested in Feb. MSa got a hold of this information and blew it. Tomorrow some will know after the live chat with Stefano.

So does anybody actually have a copy of the Motorsport Aktuell article they can post or at least what it says?

You would have thought that the Italian press would have jumped on the MSa story by now.

The author of that article, Alberto Antonini, usually writes for the italian magazine Autosprint

It´s the last paragraph

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6249/msa.jpg

Ferrari will unveil their challenger on 28th of January, fittingly.

So it looks like '281' *will* be the name of the new car.....

you mean great drivers, bad car?

Indeed yes, it's possible.

preferring alonso over michael tells everything about the current ferrari

With 281 being the official model designation, I'm going to change the thread title.

Actually it started with Ferrari preferring Domenicalli over Brawn, which has now resulted in Schumacher preferring a combeack at Mercedes than keeping retired as a Ferrari consultant.

There is no word on the official designation yet.
I still think it will be F2010.

281 is a chassis name which very coincidentally ends up to be the launch date

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/...li-looks-ahead/



That sounds as MSa report about lack of aero efficiency might be true .



I hope so.



If they split all test days equally, no problem for me.

This talk of a lack of aero efficiency is a load of rubbish

I think it's a load of rubbish as well. It implies that the Ferrari engineers are highly inadequate, especially since they started development on the 2010 contender a long time before any of the big teams. Also all official word from the Ferrari camp has been positive until now.

Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing the car on track.

You can only wait for winter testing.

Info from chat with Stefano Domenicali on Ferrari.com

The name of the 2010 car will be revealed at the launch on Jan 28th.

Massa will be the first to test the car at Valencia on Feb 1st.

Mr. Domenicali enjoys skiing!

The Stefano Domenicali interview is been linked up in a Youtube-video on the FORIX.com Facebook Group

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=111194985401


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