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One
Recognized how large those mirrors are? Is this a beginners model?


And yes it looks like the car is pushed forward even more to the front in respect to the tyre positions...?S?S?>?
Mastah
QUOTE (MichaelPM @ Dec 2 2009, 15:39) *
Why do Ferrari need so many drivers under contract?


Currently they have 7 lol.gif. But I guess for Luca that will be last season as a test driver (he'll turn 39 in January), Schumi is there for PR and as we know he'll be involved more in road division, Marc is almost 36, so another 2-3 years for him, same scenario with Fisico (37), so in next few years they will retire and Ferrari had to secure their future. I suppose Jules will follow Felipe's steps, 1-2 years in GP2, then other F1 team (Sauber? Toro Rosso?) and after few seasons, if he is really good, red overalls smile.gif.


As I predicted yesterday, Ferrari is probably testing on a high fuel load, as Jules did many laps with fastest one 5 seconds off the leader pace.
Mastah
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Jerez de la Frontera, 1st December 2009 – December has got underway with the first of three days of Formula 1 testing aimed at young drivers, at the Jerez de la Frontera circuit. Running alongside the other teams on the Andalusian circuit, Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro’s F60 was today entrusted into the hands of the young, but already experienced Frenchman, Jules Bianchi, who recently took the Drivers’ and Teams’ titles in the Formula 3 Euroseries, driving for ART Grand Prix. The twenty year old from Nice, who has been driving karts since the age of three in a family run team, is the latest in a long line of racing champions. He completed 91 laps, setting the fifth fastest time of the day in 1.19.626. There to help as he tackled this new adventure was Andrea Bertolini, the Ferrari test driver who is in Jerez specifically to offer invaluable advice and help the young drivers during this session. Bianchi was pleased with his debut at the wheel of the F60. “I am really proud to have made my Formula 1 debut at the wheel of a Ferrari, for the greatest team in the world. At the start, I was being careful not to make any mistakes, then once I felt confident, I pushed harder. The team spirit here is incredible and I hope I have made a positive impression on them and I want to do even better tomorrow.”
Bianchi is back on track tomorrow for his second and final day of this test session.


QUOTE
Maranello, 2nd December

Circuit: Jerez circuit – 4.428 km
Driver: Jules Bianchi
Car: Ferrari F60
Weather: air temperature 12/18 °C, track temperature 13/20 °C. Very cloudy.

Second day of testing for Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro at the Jerez de la Frontera circuit, which is hosting a test session aimed at young drivers.

Once again today, the French driver Jules Bianchi was at the wheel, continuing with the task of getting to understand a Formula 1 car. Jules ran in race configuration the entire day, completing a total of 113 laps, the quickest in a time of 1.20.586, adding up to a total of just over nine hundred kilometres over these two days.

Testing continues at this circuit tomorrow. Taking turns on the track will be the top three finishers of the Italian Formula 3 Championship – the Italians Daniel Zampieri and Marco Zipoli and the Mexican, Pablo Sanchez Lopez – as part of an initiative established in 2008, in collaboration with the ACI-CSAI.


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onegearbroken
The tires look a lot different, are they the 2010 tires from bridgestone(quitters)? Skinnier fronts and larger rears? or is the other way around.....apart from that the cars look the same from Abu Dhabi.
Mastah
No, those are 2009 tyres. Thinner front tyres will be available at tests in February.

I'm 99% sure, that they removed KERS from F60. Other changes than that... I don't know smile.gif.


QUOTE
Q. Why were you slower today than on Tuesday?

JB: We had lots of fuel today, looking towards next year, so we were not fast. But it was my job to do that because the team wanted to do it. We did a good job I think, because we did a lot of laps without any mistakes or problems. So we finished the day with 113 laps. That's really good.
1fastSS
QUOTE (Mastah @ Dec 2 2009, 21:31) *
No, those are 2009 tyres. Thinner front tyres will be available at tests in February.

I'm 99% sure, that they removed KERS from F60. Other changes than that... I don't know smile.gif.



http://ferrarif1forum.com/2009/12/03/ferra...pment-in-jerez/

Ferrari ran some sort of conical wheel nutz and a lot of fuel on board testing for next year. Red bull also ran a strange cable system to test front wing flex.
Mastah
http://www.motorsport-total.com/bilder/200...z1259752819.jpg

Yeah, quite interesting.
acelik
ferrari used new engine cover. there are no holes at the back of engine cover
Racing Dutchman
QUOTE (Mastah @ Dec 3 2009, 12:04) *

Those things look absolutely sick!

Looks like those spikes used on horse cars in 'Gladiator'.

Hope they stay!
Mastah
QUOTE
Maranello, 3 December 2009

Circuit: Autodromo di Jerez - 4,428 km
Drivers: Daniel Zampieri, Marco Zipoli, Pablo Sanchez Lopez
Car: Ferrari F60
Weather: air temperature 14/17 °C, track temperature 13/29 °C. Cloudy with some rain.

Third and last day of testing for the Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro at the Jerez de la Frontera circuit, where a private test session, dedicated to young drivers, was held.

On the occasion of the initiative, started in 2008 in collaboration with ACI-CSAI, today the three top drivers from the Italian Formula 3 Championship – the Italians Daniel Zampieri and Marco Zipoli and the Mexican Pablo Sanchez Lopez – sat behind the wheel of an F60 single-seater.

The three drivers drove a total of 122 laps: 39 Sanchez Lopez, 41 Zipoli and 42 Zampieri. The fastest amongst them was the Mexican with a lap time of 1.21.068, followed by Zampieri (1.21.279) and Zipoli (1.21.725).
shonguiz
QUOTE (1fastSS @ Dec 3 2009, 11:38) *
http://ferrarif1forum.com/2009/12/03/ferra...pment-in-jerez/

Ferrari ran some sort of conical wheel nutz and a lot of fuel on board testing for next year. Red bull also ran a strange cable system to test front wing flex.

They say that weight saving next year is even more essential, i say why since all cars sould still have the same weight ? Shouldn't they have talked about engine efficiency ?
Seanspeed
QUOTE (shonguiz @ Dec 3 2009, 16:30) *
They say that weight saving next year is even more essential, i say why since all cars sould still have the same weight ? Shouldn't they have talked about engine efficiency ?

There's always a minimum weight in F1, but that doesn't mean every car weighs the same. They are all underweight, but use ballast in order to bring them up to that minimum weight.

The important thing next year will be to have a very adaptable and balanced car, as they are now going from 200kg of fuel or so down to 0 throughout the race instead of the standard 70 to 0 like we're used to. That means the car will change quite a bit as the fuel level drops and having a car that is well-setup is going to be crucial in terms of keeping good balance and tire wear throughout this radical change.
WebBerK
http://www.marca.com/2009/12/07/motor/form...1260195539.html

Here is an article of Alonso - in a Santander event - telling his approach until the first race:

Mientras sigue su preparación física para el año que viene, alterna los viajes a Maranello, en los que ha podido mantener su primer briefing de trabajo con los técnicos del Cavallino, ver el chasis del coche en el túnel del viento, hacerse el asiento y conocer el volante de arriba a abajo. “Tengo que ganarme la confianza de los ingenieros, del equipo, conseguir que lleguemos muy unidos a la primera carrera de Bahrein. Este es mi gran objetivo de estos meses”, decía en el citado acto.

Fernando entiende que con los ingenieros de la Scuderia la forma de abordar el desarrollo del nuevo Ferrari diferirá en un principio de la que tenía en Renault, donde si Fernando decía A, se hacía A: “Si los datos que te da el ingeniero y la telemetría difieren de lo que siente el piloto en la pista, pues se habla y se trabaja con el ingeniero porque es fundamental el instinto del piloto, el feeling con el coche, pero se tiene que analizar el porqué de los datos, y hallar una solución”.
El asturiano lo está poniendo todo para llegar a Bahrein el 14 de marzo como si llevara un año ya en el equipo.



pikamoku
using google
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As he continues his fitness for next year, alternating trips to Maranello, where it has been able to maintain his first briefing with the technical work of Cavallino, see the chassis of the car in the wind tunnel, take a seat and learn the wheel from top to bottom. "I have to earn the trust of engineers, equipment, ensuring that we get very attached to the first race in Bahrain. This is my big objective of these months, "he said in that act.

Fernando understands that the Scuderia engineers how to address the development of the new Ferrari will differ in the first of which was at Renault, where if Fernando told A, it was A: "If the data that gives the engineer and the telemetry differ from what the pilot feels on the track, then we can talk and work with the engineer because it is fundamental instinct of the pilot, the feeling with the car, but you have to analyze why the data and find a solution .
The Spaniard is putting it all to come to Bahrain on March 14 as if it had a year already on the computer.

Mastah
http://www.onestopstrategy.com/dailyf1news...0+-+report.html

According to Diario AS, Ferrari was testing some things during Felipe's test in F2007. And Marc Gene is happy with development of F2010: "The wind tunnel data is good and makes us optimistic, but we don't know where the others are so we will have to wait until we see it on the track."
BiH
QUOTE (Mastah @ Dec 17 2009, 08:12) *
http://www.onestopstrategy.com/dailyf1news...0+-+report.html

According to Diario AS, Ferrari was testing some things during Felipe's test in F2007. And Marc Gene is happy with development of F2010: "The wind tunnel data is good and makes us optimistic, but we don't know where the others are so we will have to wait until we see it on the track."



okay what a bunch of bs. this is why autosport.com is the most reliable website on motorsport. a spanish newspaper diario AS that writes primarily on football manages to get inside source that everyone else misses out. rolleyes.gif
FlashMaster
QUOTE (BiH @ Dec 17 2009, 16:47) *
okay what a bunch of bs. this is why autosport.com is the most reliable website on motorsport. a spanish newspaper diario AS that writes primarily on football manages to get inside source that everyone else misses out. rolleyes.gif


What do you expect from spanish "experts"? I can't wait till testings starts rolleyes.gif

AFCA won't return that's for sure
Jackmancer
Just a question on refueling. Will we keep the same fuel hose or will we see something like Nascar tanks? Or are teams free to choose? Ferrari probably come up with some weird automatic system drunk.gif
saudoso
QUOTE (Jackmancer @ Dec 17 2009, 18:59) *
Just a question on refueling. Will we keep the same fuel hose or will we see something like Nascar tanks? Or are teams free to choose? Ferrari probably come up with some weird automatic system drunk.gif


Refuelling is no more.
Jackmancer
QUOTE (saudoso @ Dec 17 2009, 22:04) *
Refuelling is no more.


How do the teams refuel during sessions like practise and qualifying then? Or in between the sessions?
saudoso
QUOTE (Jackmancer @ Dec 17 2009, 19:24) *
How do the teams refuel during sessions like practise and qualifying then? Or in between the sessions?



Ok. I don't think there will be rules on that and all the high tech fueling stations will be ditched. No need for the extra weight. A simple pump or a gravity based tank like you mentioned.
Mastah
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29) REFUELLING
29.1 a) Refuelling is only permitted in the team’s designated garage area.
b) No car may be refuelled after it has left the pit lane for the first time whilst the pit exit is open for the race.
c) Fuel may not be added to nor removed from a car during a race.
29.2 No car may be refuelled, nor may fuel be removed from a car, at a rate greater than 0.8 litres/second.
29.3 The driver may remain in his car throughout refuelling but the engine must be stopped.
29.4 Each competitor must ensure that an assistant equipped with a suitable fire extinguisher of adequate capacity is beside the car throughout all refuelling operations.
saudoso
QUOTE
29) REFUELLING
29.1 a) Refuelling is only permitted in the team’s designated garage area.
b) No car may be refuelled after it has left the pit lane for the first time whilst the pit exit is open for the race.
c) Fuel may not be added to nor removed from a car during a race.
29.2 No car may be refuelled, nor may fuel be removed from a car, at a rate greater than 0.8 litres/second.
29.3 The driver may remain in his car throughout refuelling but the engine must be stopped.
29.4 Each competitor must ensure that an assistant equipped with a suitable fire extinguisher of adequate capacity is beside the car throughout all refuelling operations.


Thanks for this.

0.8l/s is not too far from a standard gas station pump, is it? We have around 10Kg/s today...
pikamoku
QUOTE (FlashMaster @ Dec 17 2009, 17:31) *
What do you expect from spanish "experts"? I can't wait till testings starts rolleyes.gif

AFCA won't return that's for sure


why dont you rely on AS? or Onestopstrategy?

I agree that AS is a tabloid for football fans. Sure.

AS original:
QUOTE
Massa probó ayer el F2007 en Mugello y testó algunas posibles soluciones internas.

Massa tested F2007 car yesterday in Mugello and teste some possible inside solutions also.

was there any FIA steward? If not, I'm pretty sure SF did what any other team would do: maximize their oportunities of getting performance from any "test"
If FIA was there, they did nothing. wave.gif
Mastah
QUOTE
For 2010, we have a great driver pairing, the best for a team like ours.” There are no major changes to the team structure, as confirmed by Team Principal, Stefano Domenicali. “We have consolidated certain changes made during the course of the season, such as Chris Dyer in the role of Head of Race Engineering and alongside him are young and up and coming people such as Diego Ioverno. The responsibility for aerodynamics has been handed to Marco De Luca, while Andrea Stella will be Alonso’s race engineer, a role he filled with Raikkonen. Contrary to what has been written, there is no influx of engineers following the Spaniard, because we have a highly rated group of people here, who have shown they know how to win. The most important change concerns the Engine and Electronics department, which since October has been run by Luca Marmorini, a very experienced engineer, who knows Ferrari well, having cut his teeth here before moving on to tackle another challenge.”


http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/...have_faith.aspx

QUOTE
Then came Felipe’s unexpected accident and, before taking a decision, we needed to know what his prospects were. Once we were certain he was fine, then in light of what was going on at Renault, we decided to try and bring Alonso on board a year ahead of schedule.


http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/...ght_driver.aspx

Interesting, so that means Kimi could keep his seat for 2010 only if Felipe wasn't able to return.
WebBerK
Forget about the car... tongue.gif

Charles Michael unveils Alonsomething secret weapon. eek.gif

http://www.marca.com/2009/12/21/motor/form...1261403872.html

[ Won't Massa be allowed to use it confused.gif ]
jetalt
Charles Michael....working for Marca lol.gif

He isn't Charles Michael, he is Michael Sanz lol.gif ( btw, even worse)
MichaelPM
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Dec 22 2009, 07:19) *
Forget about the car... tongue.gif

Charles Michael unveils Alonsomething secret weapon. eek.gif

http://www.marca.com/2009/12/21/motor/form...1261403872.html

[ Won't Massa be allowed to use it confused.gif ]

Simulator? hardly a secret.

Would be a very effective "weapon" in getting Alonso up to speed with Ferrari systems and previous/future cars characteristics. Will help a lot when closing the knowledge gap to Massa.
Timstr11
New Ferrari simulator makes its debut.
They've worked 2 years on its development.
BMW_F1
Wow.. Marca is ahead of the game.. They had this news posted yesterday..
http://www.marca.com/2009/12/21/motor/form...1261403872.html
Mastah
More details:

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/...simulatore.aspx

I hate these things, as that means less work for teams and drivers during GP weekends and less possibilities to make mistakes, but as a Ferrari fan I'm pleased that finally we have simulator on par with McLaren's biggrin.gif.
1fastSS
According to AFCA, Ferrari are doing some sort of air intake modifications in the hopes of improving fuel economy. I would have thought, that an area such as the intake will already have been optimized to the max. It's surprising that Ferrari are seeing consumption gains in that area.

Source: http://ferrarif1forum.com/2009/12/29/ferra...lopment-update/
ConsiderAndGo
QUOTE (1fastSS @ Dec 29 2009, 09:51) *
According to AFCA, Ferrari are doing some sort of air intake modifications in the hopes of improving fuel economy. I would have thought, that an area such as the intake will already have been optimized to the max. It's surprising that Ferrari are seeing consumption gains in that area.

Source: http://ferrarif1forum.com/2009/12/29/ferra...lopment-update/


Interesting....
F1Champion
Interesting changes to the airbox, but as important as it is to Ferrari it will be to others. I would of thought that Mercedes and Renault don't want to rest on their laurels and it they can stretch out more in the MPG department, then they will. The fuel consumption is key to next year, I would think that the others would be fiddelling with their airbox intakes.
modamas
They must really get on top of that fuel consumption "problem".
If they need to carry ~10 kg more fuel than others at the start of the race, they have to build a damn good car to make up that disadvantage.
GrndLkNatv
QUOTE (modamas @ Dec 29 2009, 15:42) *
They must really get on top of that fuel consumption "problem".
If they need to carry ~10 kg more fuel than others at the start of the race, they have to build a damn good car to make up that disadvantage.



It has been addressed..

I have heard it will be more efficient than any other power plant in the field and that's why Luca Marmorini came back to Ferrari from Toyota to get this finished up and ready for 2010, also why Gilles Simone took a new seat in the FIA. As for Mercedes having the best Engine in F1, well I think that was 2009, 2010 will be a new and different story. First two links have been removed since yesterday. Third one is still good.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/10912172...n-2010--report

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...icient-engine/

http://ferrarif1forum.com/2009/12/17/ferra...g-mugello-test/
Anomnader
QUOTE (GrndLkNatv @ Dec 29 2009, 23:36) *
, also why Gilles Simone took a new seat in the FIA.



Why will this help Ferrari fuel consumption.
GrndLkNatv
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Dec 29 2009, 16:40) *
Why will this help Ferrari fuel consumption.



Marmorini has more knowledge in that area after years with Toyota F1. Toyota leads the world in fuel efficiency, period.

BTW, have asked AFCA to come back and am waiting on his response.
1fastSS
QUOTE (GrndLkNatv @ Dec 30 2009, 00:41) *
Marmorini has more knowledge in that area after years with Toyota F1. Toyota leads the world in fuel efficiency, period.

BTW, have asked AFCA to come back and am waiting on his response.


Many members have asked him to come back including me, but I doubt he will return. He was providing great info and was chased away by armchair naysayers. He sometimes provides info to FerrariF1forum.com but hasn't physically posted here in nearly a year.

I don't blame him either. When he would post detailed drawings and info he got ridiculed and had to constantly defend his position and justify his sources. WHY? I don't know.

I say "the earth is round" and don't have to provide a source but when somebody says "Ferrari will test on this date" somebody has to?

People just couldn't stand taking information for what it is. Nothing more than, a forum member that happened to be right 99% of the time. Why people were asking for his sources is beyond me. Information is information. If somebody posts something, you can choose to believe it or disregard it.
WebBerK
QUOTE (GrndLkNatv @ Dec 29 2009, 21:41) *
Marmorini has more knowledge in that area after years with Toyota F1. Toyota leads the world in fuel efficiency, period.

BTW, have asked AFCA to come back and am waiting on his response.

Great timing ohwell.gif
Now that KERS is gone, Ferrari will unveill the F-2010 Prius.
One
QUOTE (1fastSS @ Dec 30 2009, 07:02) *
People just couldn't stand taking information for what it is. Nothing more than, a forum member that happened to be right 99% of the time. Why people were asking for his sources is beyond me. Information is information. If somebody posts something, you can choose to believe it or disregard it.


For my knowledge AFCA had accurate knowledge on what IS going on in the F1. Some who pretends with no connections suffer as he lost great deal of truth.
quasi C
It's not like the others aren't working on fuel efficiency either, there's no way of knowing where they'll all end up in the pecking order, I doubt they know that themselves at this point. All you can say is that Ferrari start disadvantaged not only in fuel consumption but also, possibly as a consequence, heat rejection.
V8 Fireworks
QUOTE (1fastSS @ Dec 29 2009, 09:51) *
According to AFCA, Ferrari are doing some sort of air intake modifications in the hopes of improving fuel economy. I would have thought, that an area such as the intake will already have been optimized to the max. It's surprising that Ferrari are seeing consumption gains in that area.

Source: http://ferrarif1forum.com/2009/12/29/ferra...lopment-update/


There is always rooms for more optimisation in F1! Even airbox and exhaust apparently?

Cars stay stagnant for a little while sometimes, but then there is always new trends and ideas and after a few seasons even the conservative teams has to change their design that used to be optimal.
1fastSS
Isn't Ferrari "consuming" less ever since Kimi left? tongue.gif
1fastSS
QUOTE (timba @ Dec 30 2009, 14:38) *
Information costs money. I think "sources" like AMuS or other publications might find it frustrating that someone is not giving due credit to their hard work. wave.gif


So now we're assuming that AMuS is his source?
Showty
QUOTE (BiH @ Dec 17 2009, 16:47) *
okay what a bunch of bs. this is why autosport.com is the most reliable website on motorsport. a spanish newspaper diario AS that writes primarily on football manages to get inside source that everyone else misses out. rolleyes.gif


Maybe because there 2 spanish drivers working at Ferrari and sometimes they do get some interesting info from them? maybe?

The spanish "football" media and the spanish "experts" were announcing the Alonso-Ferrari deal for months, they even nailed the Valencia thing and the Kimi´s negotiation to end his Ferrari contract, that while many people were just in disbelief just because they were the "spanish" media, who do you think their source was?

The 1st official Alonso interview after announcing the Ferrari deal was with a spanish journalist too.

So, yes, sometimes they get inside sources that everyone else misses out, like this one, by the way:


21th http://www.marca.com/2009/12/21/motor/form...1261403872.html

23rd http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80649
GrndLkNatv
QUOTE (1fastSS @ Dec 29 2009, 23:02) *
Many members have asked him to come back including me, but I doubt he will return. He was providing great info and was chased away by armchair naysayers. He sometimes provides info to FerrariF1forum.com but hasn't physically posted here in nearly a year.

I don't blame him either. When he would post detailed drawings and info he got ridiculed and had to constantly defend his position and justify his sources. WHY? I don't know.

I say "the earth is round" and don't have to provide a source but when somebody says "Ferrari will test on this date" somebody has to?

People just couldn't stand taking information for what it is. Nothing more than, a forum member that happened to be right 99% of the time. Why people were asking for his sources is beyond me. Information is information. If somebody posts something, you can choose to believe it or disregard it.



That explains the reception I received on the FerrariF1forum the other day! Hopefully we can drag him back over here.. I will go pester him now!
Anomnader
The issue that you seem to be missing was one of copyright, posting articles from otherplaces isn't any more allowed then posting photographs.
Mr.Wayne
Ok guys, I have one question:

In one of the articles citing our well-missed AFCA, I found this paragraph that has been troubling me ever since:

QUOTE
Ferrari is not willing to frighten off Alonso by realizing Massa’s dream (of becoming world champion). From 2010 onwards the Spaniard is to be the new linchpin within the Gestione Sportiva. Ferrari is in negotiations with some Renault guys that are held in high esteem by Alonso and which would like to leave Renault due to the uncertain position the French team is in. A Shumacheresque revival at Ferrari?


What would be the consequences from this? Have Ferrari convinced Massa to bend over for Alonso (the same Alonso he blames for losing the title in 2008 as a consequence of Crashgate), or they will simply put Massa on the second page, and hope that Felipe's "love for the team" will help him understand that if the relationship is going to work, they have to give Fernando anything he wants? I cannot see Massa drving slower to make Alonso look good, neither accepting to be second fiddle; but if Ferrari's intentions are to reconstruct their team around Fernando, he (Felipe) will have to do either one of these so... which one will it be?
Hairpin
QUOTE (Mr.Wayne @ Jan 2 2010, 22:21) *
Ok guys, I have one question:

In one of the articles citing our well-missed AFCA, I found this paragraph that has been troubling me ever since:

What would be the consequences from this? Have Ferrari convinced Massa to bend over for Alonso (the same Alonso he blames for losing the title in 2008 as a consequence of Crashgate), or they will simply put Massa on the second page, and hope that Felipe's "love for the team" will help him understand that if the relationship is going to work, they have to give Fernando anything he wants? I cannot see Massa drving slower to make Alonso look good, neither accepting to be second fiddle; but if Ferrari's intentions are to reconstruct their team around Fernando, he (Felipe) will have to do either one of these so... which one will it be?

Massa will have to bend over and he knows it. Maybe he is a bit better than Kimi, but that is not why they kept him and payed Kimi 10 million to leave.
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