Louis Mr. F1
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10-30-2000 18:03
This is a reproduction of a thread in the RC forum and i've been told that the Nostaglia is the more appropriate place, the format may seem a bit weired, (i don't know how to repost) but here it goes:
Since it's the off season and i would like to start a new
topic (something not related to M. Schumacher) for a
change. I've recently purchased a 86 Grand Prix review
book written by Nigel Roebuck and i found lots of the
articles very interesting and i'd like to share this with
you guys. For those who had followed the sport for a
longer period, this may bring back some good
memories. The following is an interview with Keke
Rosberg, his final year in F1
SEE YOU ON THE OUTSIDE
Keke Rosberg's last GP was wonderful, as striking a
race as he had ever driven, but although he was in
front from the early laps, went away into a huge lead,
he was never going to win in Adelaide. Not so long as
Prost was in second place. Rosberg wanted a victory
the last time around perhaps more than anything in his
racing life, but still was prepared to sacrifice it for his
teammate.
"Alain and i spoke about it before the start, i told him i
was going to go for it. This was my last afternoon in a
F1 car, and i wanted toremember it as something good
after a disappointing season." "it seems a logical thing
to do, by trying to get into the lead, set a quick pace,
i would force the williams guys to push, maybe use a
little more fuel thna they wanted. If Alain drove his
usual intelligent race, i thought in the late stages he
ought to be ahead of them - in which case i would let
him through to win the race and the WC. And if
anything happened to him, well maybe i would win my
last gp"
Here was a measure of the man, and of his respect for
Prost and Mclaren "i've no criticism to make of Alain
whatever," " As far as i'm concerned, he's the best
driver i've ever known - head and shoulder clear of the
rest"
"i've had a lot of silly car problems this yr, but they
could have happened in any team. It's just been a run
of bad luck that's hard to believe, and i did some
things wrong, too. But what has helped me is that the
atmosphere in the team has been so good, in the same
circumstances, it wouldn't have been like that at
Williams, i know that"
But surely there must be time when he glanced
envoiusly at the FW11 he passed up?
"No, never, not once. I made my decision to leave
Williams for Mclaren and i will always be glad i did.
Although Mansell and Piquet won nine races, but listen
i made up my mind at the end of 84 that i would quit in
2 years, and when the Mclaren offer came up, i was
happy to take it. Here i was getting an opportunity to
spend my last season with the most professional
team."
"A lot of people thought that i left Williams because of
Mansell. Wrong it's true i didn't want him there in th
efirst place, and we started off on the wrong foot.
After a few weeks, we got on absolutely fine and his
being there played no part in my leaving"
"i tell you this though, if i hadn't moved from Williams, i
might have quit several months earlier. Frank's dreadful
accident left a lot of the authority in the hands of a
man (P. Head???)who was one reason for my leaving.
We simply couldn't stand each other. No i have no
regrets about changing teams."
"people have asked me if i have considered changing
my decision, and i'd be lying if i denied it had crossed
by mind. but there are hundreds of reasons for me to
retire, for example, when i'm playing with my son that
is one of the most important reasons, but on the other
hand, t doesn't matter at all when suddenly i am in a
race car nd this is Australia, the finish! It would have
been much harder to stop if we hadn't had the stupid
fuel regulations, if it had just been a matter of car and
driver, and not having to look at the bloody fuel gauge
all the time. And i must admit i would have seriously
reconsidered if the new normally aspirated engine had
arrived earlier. All the teams will be running them in
1988, so it's just 1 year too late."
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it's not the complete article (took too long to type it
all)and maybe you've read about this before, when i
re-read/watch the 80s gps, i found most of the drivers
are alot more outspoken and they certainly have their
own character. Rosberg is one of the driver who i
missed his style. don't forget, he's a Flying Finn.
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John B
Member
10-30-2000 18:21
I was reading through the book Prost coauthored on
competition driving yesterday. He had an interesting
passage about his driving style versus Rosberg's which
I'll post when I have the book in front of me. Basically
AP mentioned how both styles (early turn-in vs. late
breaking) could be effective at different points of the
corner, but he felt that his style was more effective
over a long race and season, in large part because it
had less error risk.
At one point AP writes "Note that the cars themselves
lend themselves to either sort of style." Interesting
because that didn't seem to be the case when Prost
and Rosberg were 1986 teammates. Rosberg had a
difficult time getting the most out of the Mclaren, with
no wins while Prost pulled off the WDC.
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FerrariFanInTexas
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10-30-2000 23:12
Louis:
I've just been reading Alan Henry's "50 Years of Grand
Prix Racing" from Autocourse, and based on what he
writes about KR and the Williams Team, it was Patrick
Head he was referring to. Apparently there was some
dispute about whether KR's aggressive driving style
was too harsh for the Williams in the early stages of
the race, leading to a lot of DNF's and early
retirements. There was also an undercurrent that
because KR smoked and did a lot of not very healthy
things, he lacked fitness, and thus drove worse.
KR's response to this is that he had to drive very hard
at the start, because the tires were not up to full
pressure at the start and the handling was atrocious.
His view was that he had to "manhandle" the car
around for a few laps until the tires came up to
temperature (and thus pressure). His exact comment
when asked about this issue is that the comment from
Head was "bullshit".
At least, this is what I recall sitting here in my office.
I'm always (as usual) prepared to be found wrong on
my recall of minutiae.
Avanti Ferrari!
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Mosquito
Member
10-30-2000 23:28
Ouch!!!
Invasion of the scary peeps from the dark dungeons of
the 'Nostalgia forum'!!!!
Run, run while you can!
Sorry, could't restrain myself....
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Mila
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10-31-2000 00:19
Rosberg had 8 mechanical DNFs in 86. to boot, he lost
a couple of good finishes at Imola and Hockenheim by
running out of fuel in the dying laps.
remarkably he finished on the podium only once in
86--a 2nd place behind his teammate at Monaco. some
may recall that Rosberg's race was spectacular. from
9th on the grid he was running 5th by the end of the
first lap. he later picked off Alboreto and Mansell on
the track, and Senna during the Brazilian's tire stop.
Keke proved his masterful racecraft that day.
Senna, like others, held high regard for the Finn. I
don't believe that this is lost when RB states that Keke
is the one GP driver he would have liked to race
against. as Hunt pointed out once, Rosberg was a hard
man--hard, but fair.
at Mclaren, Rosberg had a few factors working against
him:
one, was the brilliant Prost.
two, was the driving style of the brilliant Prost, which
was, comparatively, not so greatly hampered by the
understeery characteristic of the Mclaren.
three, the Mclaren was not the best car in the field.
so, in order to top the Williams boys, Ron and Co.
sensibly put all their eggs in one basket. after all, Prost
was the proven driver on the roster.
four, first impressions mean a lot. from the get-go,
Rosberg and designer John Barnard did not get along.
at the first pre-season practice at Rio, Barnard ordered
the Finn to take it easy--something beyond the
comprehension of Keke. so, needless to say, the new
guy made an impression all right, in the armco--the
chassis was a write off. Rosberg proceeded to make
some tactical errors early in the season, which all the
more put the team's focus on Prost.
after all that, the agreement he held with Prost for the
Australian round was a testament to his sense of
professionalism.
its funny that Alan Henry was brought up by
FerrariFanInTexas. I remember a scathing article
written by him at the end of 86. in explaining the
different driving styles of Prost and Rosberg, he
stopped short of referring to the Finn as a hack. very
disturbing. did Keke kill Henry's dog or something?
in light of the quote provided by Louis Mr. F1, I don't
know what to think of Rosberg and Mansell. Rosberg
was asked a couple of years ago to write the
introduction to a book on Mclaren. ignoring the actual
subject of the book, the passage begins something like
this: Frank signed Mansell, so I quit to join Mclaren.
anyway, I could go on and on about Rosberg. thanks
for bringing him up.
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Spot
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10-31-2000 12:51
If I may, I would like to add something from my addled
memory.
I recall Barnard complaining about Rosberg's style at
the time, and in response to Keke complaining about
the setup of the car not being to his liking, stated that
he refused 'to put the back of the car at the front'. It
was only in the last few races of '86 that Keke got his
own way, and he was suddenly more competitive.
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Sudsbouy
Member
10-31-2000 16:16
Yes, I recall the difficulties that KR had with Barnard. I
believe that Barnard got so pissed that he intentionally
stonewalled KR on setup just to teach him a lesson. A
rather disturbing way to waste talent and money (I'm
sure the sponsors appreciated this tiff).
Thank you.
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david_martin
Member
10-31-2000 18:35
This probably belongs in the Nostalgia forum - I know
there are lots of Rosberg fans there.
For me he was something on an enigma, his
"grab-the-car-by-the-throat" style and famous cigar
smoking, drinking and partying lifestyle was in complete
contrast with his performance on perhaps the most
physically challanging and precise circuits, street
circuits. Four of his five wins came on the street -
Monaco, Dallas, Detriot, and Australia (and the Dallas,
Detriot and Australian races were run in some of the
hottest conditions for races during the 1980's),and he
had a 2nd a Long Beach and again at Monaco.
Truly one of the last great characters of F1, a bit of a
dinosaur in some ways, but still the holder of the
fastest ever lap in F1.
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mhferrari
Member
10-31-2000 23:33
Where can you find those year review books? And
about how many pages are they?
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Louis Mr. F1
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11-01-2000 01:54
well, i found the book at the Toronto Toy Show where
there's a vendor selling some of his F1 onyx models and
F1 books, i was surprised to find this book and the
picture quality (John Townsend) was very good to me.
the listed price was $20 CDN, and because i've also
purchased 3 older Onyx models, the seller basically sold
the book to me for $5 cdn.
and i love reading the articles and the pictures of the
Marlboro Mclaren, JPS Lotus, United Colors of
Benetton, Brabham all look very good to me. the book
is about 180 pages, if you are interested, i can search
a local auto book store as my memory seems to recall
that it may carry this one, maybe. and now i want to
find the 85 review as well.
when i rewatched the 83 Review tape, Rosberg was
challenging for the leading Ferrari of Tambay at Long
Beach USA, on the first lap, he was weaving behind
the Ferrari but, maybe because of cool tires, he spun
his car 360 degrees, and he managed to save it from
hitting the wall and then proceeded to attack again, at
the end he and Tambay collided at the hairpin,
Rosberg's Williams was down on power i believe, but he
was sliding his car through the corners. very good to
watch. a bit like the young Alesi.
I also recalled there's a US GP (Dallas 84??), Rosberg
was involved in a fight with Mansell's Lotus, i think
Rosberg was upset about Mansell's earlier tactics that
he shut the door on Mansell very bluntly to show his
displeasure, anyone recall this to confirm my memory?
Rosberg also used to drive for the little known
Theodore F1 Racing Team, owned by a HK racing
fanatic, Teddy Yip. Anyone with special info/memory
on this particular partnership?? as i'm also interested in
this one and only one Chinese owned racing team.
Or should i repost this whole thread to the Nostalgia
Forum, how can i do that?
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Indian Chief
Member
11-01-2000 02:23
If he did lack fitness, isn't it odd that it was him who
survived hot races and not guys who were used to hot
weather, like Piquet and Patrese?
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