We've learned from this thread that many people on the BB consider Button will not be a worthy champion because of his downturn in performance.

This isn't the thread for that as a discussion, and the handy link above allows you to go along and agree or disagree with the premise as you see fit.

Instead, this thread asks the question put by ensign14 here.



If you want to assume that JB gets disqualified from the championship for eating too many heroin-laced ice creams so that you can join in, please feel free.

The answer seems obvious to me; Rubens Barrichello would then deserve it because he was next in the points table, even though he's won a third of the races JB has.

F1 is about having the best car - so yes, he will be a worthy champion because overall the Brawn is the car to beat.

Anyone who at the end of the season has the most points is a worthy champion.

Hehehe.. 1997 again. Great car base, poor development. "Owwww, the less deserved championship ever, not worthy of respect, etc."

Rollocks..............

>> He << deserves it!

1982?

This is going to be one of those years (unless Button picks it up in the next 3 races) when it seems like nobody wants the title...

The season hasn't finished yet.

If Button wins 1 or 2 races out of the next 3, then I think he'll be worthy.

I honestly can't see any of the other 3 drivers that were fighting for it being "worthy", Barrichello made error after error at the beginning of the season, some of which cost him, some of which didn't. Vettel has had reliability issues throughout and at Monaco binned it at a potentially important race. And Webber.. Well, since Nurburgring when he won he hasn't really inspired any kind of fight for the title IMO.

But without that extra 1 or 2 wins he's not, of course. That's obvious. The question for this thread is; if not Button, if he fails to get the required 1 or 2 more wins that you will need to be convinced, who is worthy?

2008 - Lewis managed to scrape through despite wobbling at the end and Massa/Ferrari having major problems = undeserved.
2007 - Kimi lucked into win by Lewis losing it at the end and the McLaren spygate/inter team squabble = undeserved.
2006 - Schumacher blew his engine and Renault had unfair advantage with Damper = undeserved
2005 - Kimi's engine blew up too much and Alonso capitalised on early season form = undeserved.
2004 - Ferrari massively better than the rest by a mile + team orders = undeserved.
2003 - Kimi loses due to unreliability, MS wins due to team orders = undeserved.
2002 - Ferrari massively better than the rest by a mile + team orders = undeserved.
2001 - Ferrari better than the rest + Mika off form + team orders = undeserved
2000 - Ferrari better than the rest + Mika off form + team orders = undeserved
1999 - Main contender breaks his leg, even then Mika has to take it to the last race to beat Irvine = undeserved.
1998 - McLaren fastest by far + team orders + illegal braking system = undeserved.
1997 - Williams fastest by far = undeserved
1996 - Williams fastest by far + taken to the last race by rookie team mate = undeserved.
1995 - Benneton fastest by far + illegal TC = undeserved.
1994 - Schumacher crashed on purpose to win = undeserved.
1993 - Williams fastest by far = undeserved.
1992 - Williams fastest by far = undeserved.
1991 - McLaren fastest by far = undeserved.
1990 - Senna crashed deliberately to take title = undeserved.
1989 - Prost crashed deliberately to take title = undeserved.
1988 - McLaren fastest by a million miles. Prost scores more points but Senna wins title = undeserved.

etc, etc, etc.


FACT: The person who wins under the rules at the time is the champion. Deserving or not is dependant on who you want to win.

He's worthy because his competition are chumps and he had a significant car advantage at the beginning. To really be perceived as the best one has to beat the best on a more equal footing. Had the Ferrari's and Mclarens been competitive at the beginning and Button whooped Kimi, Massa, Lewis and Nando - we would all bow at his feet. As it has turned out it's been a competition of the privateer teams and Grand dad Ruebens, clueless Vettel and the aging rocker, Webber....of that lot, Button is indeed worthy.

Well, every single observation you put can be alleged with the exception of 1991. McLaren was not even the fastest car.... the other one may be 1995.. I am not sure it was the fastest but it was the most consistent for sure

disagree, red bull has been the better car for most of the season but vettel has made too many mistakes and webber isn't that good

Yes but that's a different discussion for a different thread. When Button isn't worthy, who is?

I don't agree with ANY of the points. I am merely saying what excuses people have put forward. IMHO, I can't remember the last "unworthy" champion. (Actually, I would say Piquet, but that is just my personal hatred for the guy ). The most worthy champion is the guy who scores the most points under the rules of the day. Even 1994 when MS crashed into Hill, MS outperformed him massively and it was only due to DQ's that Hill even got close. If Button is "unworthy" because his opponents **** up, then that makes him worthy because he didn't **** up as much as them.

I also can't understand anyone saying a champion is unworthy who wins 6 GP's in a season, (that is supposing he doesn't win any more). Under Bernie's "winner takes all" scheme, Button would already be champion, (and BTW, Kimi was a few points away from winning in 2003, despite only taking 1 win compared to MS's 6 wins).

There is no such thing as an unworthy champion, only a champion.

People have short memories.

If Button had had his season in reverse - steady start followed by a surge of 6 victories from the final 7 races, people would be saying what a fantastic achievement it was!

All that talks about unworthy champions is bollocks and should be ignored. If he does it, he deserved it, and no one else.

are you saying that when Button won his 6 races, RedBull was still the best car?

No no it's all going wrong! My beautiful thread is being turned into "is he/isn't he" when it should be about who the proper worthy champion is since it can't be him.

There must be one person at least who can say who it should be and what their criteria were for their choice.

He deserves it alright, but does someone think this is/was a classic championship? You'd think it's a nice change to see a lot of different winners and see championship contenders battling for scrap points instead of wins, but it just isn't. It doesn't feel right.

AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your comment lacks precision. For example, do you mean that Senna was not a worthy champion in 1988? He had less points. Obviously points are not all. If we can say that a champion is always worthy, it is also true that some are more worthy than others (the names of Hawthorn in 58, Hunt in 76 and Rosberg in 82 immediately came to my mind). Button will belong to this category: the guy had an opportunity and took it. Good for him. Congratulations.
However, in my opinion, becoming a worthy "arithmetical" champion is not as good as being champion facing a hard opposition or champion driving an inferior car or even driving the best car consistently and doing good exhibitions (Clark-Schumacher style). Button brought the car home when his Brawn was the best car and has been doing poor exhibitions since. His team mate had a bigger dose of bad luck.
There seems to be some wow factor missing here...

The wow factor is a subjective thingy and means zilch.

Seems to me you've demonstrated that, at the very least, Jense is the most worthy of the drivers this year.

The scoring system is known to everyone before the season starts. Who scores most points qualified to calculate the champion deserves to win. Every recalculation in hindsight, based on different rule sets or whatever is just a lame excuse to sweet-talk or flame something.

He deserves it as he won more races and been quite consistent.

Red Bull were just as good if not stronger mid season but drivers/strategy let them down.

Macs came back as did Ferrari for a while and even Force India - thats just how a championship often unwinds with twists and turns.
I'm not a Jenson fan but i'd be gutted if he won more as it would have been a bore now.

Button is certainly NOT consistent in his driving, but everybody else is even more inconsistent, making him still the most consistent one. Weird.

I think I am cheering for Rubens. At least I do now while he is so far behind. If they would be at the same points goping into the last race, I might end up supporting Button. Vettel has done most personal mistakes, I think. Barrichello has been the most unlucky. But Jenson impressed a lot the first half of the season. I think it suddenly hit him that the WDC was his unless he threw it away. He become a bit more careful and that does not work when a tenth of a second is can be the difference between pole position and missing Q3.

Rubens was still faster in Singapore, but Jenson had the luck. And I think he has woken up. If Rubens manage to beat him, he is a worthy WDC, if not, Jenson will win deservedly.

Actually he's very consistent, its just that the Brawn hasn't been - especially tyre wise.

What about him being slower than Barrichello so many times now? Consistence, eh?!?

Button will be a worthy champion, however he's done nothing to convince me this season that he's a better driver than I believed he was at the start of the season. Actually, that's not true, I was impressed up until Turkey, but after that I believe in every race Rubens has looked superior.

Which is exactly what they have been saying about RB. The season is obviously too long for some people.

So many times? Out of the 12 races this season that they both completed, he has only finished behind RB 3 times. Doesnt seem to bad to me.

If Button wins the championship then he is a worthy champion. It will though not be considered a great championship from him simply because n the second half of the season Jenson has underperformed compared to his aging teammate.

Right on the money.

SATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course he's worthy if he finishes with more points than the other. If it was a brilliant victory or not, well, that's another story...

No one.

This is Jenson´s year and he deserves it!

The driver I respect second most this year is Rubens, he definitely had quite a renaissance in the second half. However, not so convincing like Jenson in the first half. Vettel and Webber pale in comparison. Hamilton, Raikkonen, Alonso and the Renault drivers too have been far too inconsistent.

So who else than Jenson should be worthy?

Buttoneer your going to have to invite some of those posters from that other thread you talked about, the one's who feel button isn't a worthy champion in order to get this thread working as you intended.
Unfortunatly they seem to be very shy

Incidentally I am just rewatching the 2005 Japanese GP at Suzuka, which Button was leading twice, a screamer of a race btw between Alonso, Raikkonen and Schumacher, Raikkonen eventually won in dramatic fashion... (in hindsight Michael must have had an experience in this race knowing that the young lions had arrived to stay and his time was over. He was racing three of his successors that race).

At this weekend Honda had announced that they had acquired all the shares of the BAR team and would be named Honda F1 from 2006 on.
Their stated aim was to take Jenson Button to the championship within the next five years.

Well, they did, even if they cannot collect the glory for it.

(And of course Ross Brawn certainly did his part in bringing Jenson to the championship, but that´s for another thread...)

and his teammate underperformed at the start of the year

Button will be a worthy champion - and a nice guy as well

err....rubens, massa based on last year and before the accident, fa and lh....all more worthy

as rubens underperforming, it appears that brawn was screwing with him , until he complained loud and long......

Haha, post of the year mefinks No matter what Button does, even if he wins the WDC and ends poverty in the 3rd world, he still (according to some) won't be worthy...... Gawd alone knows what he'd have to do to actually be worthy? With the occasional exception where cheating probably occurred (1994?), the one who was worthiest of the WDC was the driver who scored the most points.............

okay, if it makes u two happy to beleive it to be so......hate destroying illusions

People are just slinging it at Jenson because most of those dicks are fair weather fans, we have been inundated with Alonso and Lewis teenage mutant fans who dragged all the Kimi groupies in with them and we have had to listen to their bullshit as they try as they might to compare them with the all time greats.

Now someone who wasn't as sharp a pair of bell bottoms in the 70's is going to win and that is boring day time drama (he was once but the vain, opaque fair weather fairies abandoned him), so they spice it up in the junk thread the OP referenced. Jenson is more than deserving he has served more than a apprenticeship and has despite his decisions of the past always driven to an elite standard in the sport. He has more personality than half the twits in F1 is a gentleman by anyone's standard and will a fine ambassador for the sport, which is something we need right now since the first thing the current guy did in his first race back after winning was lie to Stewards.

ecellent post. There are too many driver fanboys around this place

1. Hamilton

2. I'm a fanboy










Do I win a prize for first on topic reply?

nah, the OP has already left in disgust i believe.

I very nearly did.

There is one reply sort-of-on-topic-but-half-arsed on page 1. Here it is;

So for Don, 6 wins isn't enough. 7 or maybe 8 is enough. He's since not been back to say who would be the worthy champ if Button doesn't meet his requirement. It appears that nobody is worthy of a championship this year, of those who were fighting.

I suspect that they wear the wrong colour outfits.

And Gareth, to you for being honest and and petty and sad and just down-right wrong