Just looks short on downforce to me.

Watching at the track on turns 9 and 10 I noticed Karun's car kept fishtailing out of the corner.

Still a massive effort for them to finish a grand prix though, consiering where the whole operation was only a few weeks ago.

No?

Watch the comparison with Webber (and probably most other cars).

Do you think it's normal to have oversteer at every turn? Is it normal to have such violent shocks (see the helmet) when Bruno enters the gears?
To go fast you have to go straight, not to swerve.

That means nothing really. There also is nothing fundamentally wrong with car, they just need time to develop it.

They DON'T develop it.

How do you knew that?

Uh, Dallara are the ones who designed and built the car, they have the know how to develop it further. Hispania have at best got a racing team which can set up the car (with Dallara's help initially) and take it to track.

Dallara were asked to build an F1 car and -in a strict legal sense- they have done their job. The car passes FIA crash test and all regulations for entry into F1 championship, but that's about it. Unless Hispania can 'show them the money' why would Dallara waste their own time and money on refining this excuse of an F1 car?

Sorry, I do not have much hope from the team. For sure they will understand how to set up the car and make the most of the Bridgestone tires with more experience. This should certainly improve their lap times, but they are just too far behind to beat Virgin and Lotus over the season. What the teams need is a Mallya type character who does not mind spending tens of millions to improve the team. Perhaps Flavio can use this team to make a comeback in F1?

Exactly... Senna looks to be driving that car very well, hitting the apexes with a car that is that twitchy is admirable!

I'm also think HRT need experienced driver to setup their car. It will be very difficult to do without knowlege about how proper car should perform.

comparing it to a car that is glued to the track....

it looks fine, just lacks a bit of downforce that they will no doubt gain by the end of the season at least. and anyway, i prefer to see a car driven on the edge than a car that seems too easy to drive

Both Bruno and Karun (alongside their race engineers, of course) have set up GP2 cars plenty of times.

which is not an F1 car...

GP2 is not F1, you know. They need someone like Heidfield, I think.

Both offer pretty much the same adjustability. Principles are the same, it is not as if F1 cars operate in some special universe with its own brand of physics.



L.O.L. Drivers role is so exaggerated anyway.

Experience is what matters. Bruno & Karun are green, Heidfield is not. Period.

Good job with Karun!
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Problems with the gearbox.
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Words coming from Italy and Spain saying that Dallara will not develop the car to a further baseline.
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There were some talks about using Fisichella to test the car.
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No they don't, the set-up options between a 1 car series like gp2 and and F1 are so immense you cant even compare..

Yeah, like one series has square wheels and the other series floats on a cushion of air!

F1 Fanboydom > engineering

Exactly.

This is what we see in the videoclip.

If car setup wasn't such a big thing, 7xWDC Schumacher would not need to change cars with Barrichelo.
Of course Karun and Bruno are able to help to set-up a car, but a experienced driver is able to compare it to past cars setups, and this more experienced driver is able to setup a car in a faster fashion.

Edit:

It is indeed.

I'd be really interested to hear the internal discussions going on at Dallara. I'd imagine there's some in the hardnosed buisness camp, saying "they can't expect us to develop if they don't pay for it," some marketing guy saying, "improving the car will be good for Dallara's image and help in future deals and promotions," some manager guy saying, "improving the car would be good for morale and make people proud," some real racers/engineers just itching to improve and test the race car they've made, and probably some more.

Unfortunately not.
The Campos car was a job order, no more no less. Dallara can take satisfaction in being able to obtain payment of work performed, considering what has happened.

I know that until Campos paid work, things went well. The February Dallara online magazine was originally focused on the F1 car. When it became clear that the problems were irreversible, the magazine has been completely rewrite.
Now, if Carabante Kolles want to develop HRT, they should go in Varano with money in hand, otherwise... back home, please.
And, AFAIK, none of them can/want to spend money at this time. I begin to think that HRT does not participate in most of free practice in order not to spend money.

I was puzzled about that at the time. [ Here is the link to the magazine ]

I had tumbled over the January's edition when searching for info on the Dallara web site and because of this, I've thought that the February or maybe March edition would be focused on the project.
When I saw the cover, I've thought that was quite strange to have the Indy car there, but there was an article about F1. So I had proceed to read the article, but there wasn't a mention about the Dallara, only about drivers that have raced in GP2 and WSR and are at F1 this year.

The most intriguing bit is that Bruno is not listed in the magazine. I clearly suggests that Dallara was not considering viable that the, at the time, Campos Meta 1 would hit the track.

I think there is way too much unfounded speculation being put forward. Chandok has gone on record as saying the definitive car will arrive by Barcelona and Dallara have not gone on record saying that their contract to develop the car has been terminarted. Unfortunately I'm old enough to remember Dallara's first foray into F1 with Scuderia Italia, and that was a very capable chassis.
This car has shown clear promise. The team are still tuning suspension geometry to aero profile as seen by the improvement between Practice 3 and Qualifying in Adelaide.
The true pecking order among the new teams will be more clearly seen in Malaysia, where aero, braking stability and low traction grip will be severely tested. I for one would be more happy with HRT's postion than Virgin's. An unproven all CFD approach, poor reliabilty and a fuel tank thats too small. Having to redesign that is hardly likely to optimise an established design.

IIRC, Bruno has also hinted that [there'd be some kind of Barcelona spec], but I'd reserve some thoughts about those not being too far from becoming the last updates.
If the three years deal is really buried, I'd not expect many developments through this year, as they would probably focus on a 2011 spec after midi-season.


Or... not everything is carved in stone and there are still many promises and threats, by both parties, waiting to materialize themselves.

Sorry, my mistake.

I was talking about the January edition in which Mr.Dallara said:
"I can say with pride that we have done a good job in design and development, all safety tests have been passed and production has gone ahead.
Unfortunately, factors outside our control are slowing the process down, but I'm confident that we can find solutions so that our work is not lost."

http://www.italiaracing.net/mag_dallara/201001/eng/index.asp

This was the only mention about the F1 car.

No problem!
For the moment, I guess it would be the only mention of the car at all.

Yes, but that issue was to be originally based on the F1 car, AFAIK.

Exactly.
And now there's nothing about it, and maybe there will never be something about it on the magazine.
It's a shame because I believe w'd had some technical informations about the car.

"Two seconds in the package", if this is possible, I'd say that the Hispania won't be able to catch the Lotus, but it put the team ahead of the Virgin easily.

I hope so.

By the time they catch up id say lotus will have outdeveloped them given HRTs non existant budget.

Id like to see them win the new car battle but they need cash.

As I've said, It would be really difficult, not to say almost impossible, to catch up the Lotus in the current scenario.
Specially when we see the Malaysian team sign new sponsors.

Also, I'd say that we've to wait until the 7th of May to realize if there will be any considerable changes for the weekend in Montmelo. If nothing changes at that moment, probably, nothing will change at all.

Two seconds easy. Problem is though that all the other new teams also have another two seconds in the package.
Its the final few tenths to match the top teams that always cost the millions to find, and most never do.

I doubt that Lotus/Virgin have an easy 2 second gain in their chassis'. I'm assuming that Kolles is referring to the refinement of setup and changing of mechanical components not up to spec.
The problem Facing Lotus and Virgin is their performance curve is already starting to plateau, their time gain from Free practice 3 to qualifying in Australia was 0.7s compared to an average of 4s for Hispania.
I'm looking forward to Sepang which will be the first real test for all the F1 teams!

can anyone find the laptimes of Karun? I want to see how he progressed during the race....was he consistent, did he get gradually faster?

thanks!

The lap times will, of necessity, be very irregular. When you see how much the slower cars have to ease off when being lapped, I'd bet their times would vary by as much as 10 seconds a lap.

This would tend to make the driver look inconsistent - unfairly so.

Karun's Fastest lap was only less than a second off Glock and 1.4 off the Heikki's Lotus. i think its fair to say they are catching up

Take a look at here [link]

Or here. [link]

Select any driver.

From earlier today:




Edit: Btw, on a side note, some pictures of Bruno and Karun having some fun at Kuala Lumpur: [Gallery]

is this all question of money then.
if they bring new spec chassis to barcelona it will be dallara evolution?

If it happens, it will be a Dallara.
But it doesn't mean that this evolution was already paid before the start of the season.

Edit: A chash flush to buy carbon prts instead of steel would already be beneficial for the team.

So splitting Karuns race into 4 parts, his best lap times in each quarter of the race are...
Laps 1- 13 1:38.908
Laps 14-26 1:38.164
Laps 27-39 1:37.874
Laps 40-53 1:35.046 Improvement of 3.862 seconds

So yes, he got quicker during the race.
But of course everyone did as the fuel came off and the car got lighter.

We can compare to some other random driver, such as Rubens Barrichello.
Laps 1- 14 1:34.227
Laps 15-29 1:32.131
Laps 30-43 1:30.254
Laps 44-58 1:29.211 Improvement of 5.016 seconds


It was a very disruptive race for Karun. I was at the track and had his radio frequency plugged into my scanner, and on almost every lap without exception he was being lapped by traffic. His race was a continual stream of radio messages like "Alguersuari and Schumacher, 4 seconds behind [you]"
Hardly conducive to setting a race rhythm.

Karun also had a race spin (Happened right in front of where I was sitting).

For a guy who'd done bugger all laps to finish race distance is quite an achievement. Be interesting to see who does better out of him and Bruno, I get the feeling Chandhok is no chump.

senna destroyed chandhok in 2008 in GP2 (As Frentzen destroyed schumacher in 1989 in german f3) ....but F1 is different
in Sepang some Spanish girl destroyed Bruno...

Worth considering as well that Webber set that time on a second set of the softer option while chasing Hamilton trying to catch back up to the Ferrari's and Kubica. He was on a charge.

Chandhok will have set his time while doing his best to conserve the car and bring it home for a finish with nothing to gain by going for pace.

I think give them a few races, even without money, and they'll be comfortably within that 107% time and proving the car deserves to be on the track. They can do that purely with setup refinements and increasing driver experience. If they can find the money to pay Dallara to develop the car, even better - you can clearly see they must be losing chunks of time with that front wing alone.

You guys remember this quote?


There was some explanation behind it. [link]

His car was using a different fuel tank than the other chassis, and a similar one was installed for this race.


About the weather:


Edit: Weight conversion.

Very interesting.

Thanks Thiago.