Captain Tightpants
Oct 30 2009, 08:45
QUOTE (KWSN - DSM @ Oct 30 2009, 19:34)

I do not understand he wants him.
The new teams need someone experienced more than someone quick. The speed comes later; for now, they need someone to build the team around. Campos was known to be after an experienced driver - all the teams are, though Manor apparently want two rookies for some reason - and they had a preference for someone Spanish. Two men fit those criteria: Pedro de la Rosa and Marc Gene. Gene was never seriously linked to the drive, but de la Rosa's name has been touted since the beginning since he has more recent race experience; he filled in for Juan Pablo Montoya when the Colombian defected Stateside to NASCAR.
QUOTE (KWSN - DSM @ Oct 30 2009, 19:34)

I especially do not understand that he would allow Pedro to hold things up.
No, I don't think Campos' patience would extend that far. When de la Rosa stalled the first time, in Valencia, there were two things going on: firstly, BMW had announced their withdrawl, and another Spanish team - Epislon Euskadi - were in the hunt for the final slot; de la Rosa was said to be waiting to see if they'd make the grid, but as we know now, the slot went to Lotus and the Malaysians. The second little event was that the new Concorde Agreement had been signed, and the budget cap was abandoned. Campos had been banking on the budget cap, but their budget - forty-eight million Euro - was just over the forty-five Euro limit, and they've apparently complained that it didn't get through. If I were Adrian Campos, I'd have backed off at the time as well.
just me again
Oct 30 2009, 08:51
[quote name='egg1980' date='Oct 29 2009, 06:06' post='3961735']
The GP2 car weighs almost 700 kilos without the driver, the weight limit in F1 with the driver is 600 (usually using ballast to bring it up to the required weight."
This is the minimum weight. an 850kg F1 car would still be legal.
Bjørn
santori
Oct 30 2009, 09:42
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Oct 30 2009, 01:50)

So I'm not going to go jumping for joy over this the way everyone else has.
I didn't notice much jumping for joy.
noikeee
Oct 30 2009, 09:51
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Oct 29 2009, 23:50)

What I have a problem with is people believing the Spanish press as soon as they print something, despite their history of blatant tabloid-isms, like making things up.
There's spanish press, and then there's spanish press, like the UK has the Daily Mail and the Autosport. Different levels of trust. Personally I'm not buying this as a done deal yet since I don't know the credibility of that website. All I know is that As and Marca are terribly unreliable, this one I have no idea if it is a tabloid or not.
egg1980
Oct 30 2009, 10:08
QUOTE (just me again @ Oct 30 2009, 08:51)

The GP2 car weighs almost 700 kilos without the driver, the weight limit in F1 with the driver is 600 (usually using ballast to bring it up to the required weight."
This is the minimum weight. an 850kg F1 car would still be legal.
Bjørn
But hideously uncompetitive!
Think of the difference a few laps of fuel makes to a car's performance, now think of the difference the equivalent of two people would make... it's just unthinkable.
Plus, the FIA would be forced to rethink the tolerances of the crash structures due to the extra momentum which would be carried into an accident.
Captain Tightpants
Nov 2 2009, 04:35
If Campos is in trouble, he's certainly putting a positive spin on it:
Q: Dallara will design your car. Are you convinced that they will be able to come up with something competitive? They have designed great cars for many series, but have been absent from Formula One racing for many years.
Adrian Campos: I am sure that they will do a very good job. It’s the biggest company building single-seaters, so I have a great deal of confidence in them. Only last week I’ve been at their headquarters.
(Source)And elsewhere:
QUOTE
Source: GMM
Category: Formula One | June 29, 2009, 7:38 pm
The 2010 debut of the new Spanish formula one entrant Campos is still on track despite the scrapping of budget cap rules. The Spanish outfit signed up for next year’s championship on the basis of the FIA’s published regulations to limit technical spending to 45m euros per team per season.
But according to Gian Paolo Dallara, boss of the Italian racing car design outfit bearing his name, news of the FIA’s agreement with FOTA has not put a spanner in the works of the Campos project.
“We are continuing as if nothing had happened,” he told GP Week, explaining that the design of the 2010 Campos-Dallara began three months ago.
Despite the published 2010 technical regulations, it seems Dallara took the (ultimately correct) gamble that the ‘two tier’ elements of the rules would ultimately not proceed.
“Our car will be 2WD without the possibility to refuel and without KERS. We have worked on 2009 specification adding the extra fuel capacity required for 2010,” said the 72-year-old.
Dallara, last involved in F1 with Midland in 2006, said a team of 40 engineers, to expand to 80 in the near future, are currently working on the Campos car at his Parma headquarters.
Of the other two new teams, US F1 insists the budget cap axe makes no difference to its plans, while Manor admits the events of the past week has made its preparations for 2010 “more difficult”.
Loks like they're confident. But wouldn't it be hilarious if Dallara built a car
with no way to get fuel into the tank?
WebBerK
Nov 7 2009, 17:01
Good news comming from the Campos camp.
B Senna just gave a live interview for a local radio and updated his status.The second seat choice is restricted to DelaRose, Piquet, Petrov and Maldonado.They are considering the up and downs of every choice, but there is an awkward issue that will make and influence.[They are all connected to Petrol companies sponsorship in different degrees: Repsol, Petrobras, Gazprom and Venezuela's state petrol.]So Senna said that if Campos sign for the main sponsor to be a Petrol company, a second one could not advertise in it [I understood Petrobras].
About the car, the chassis [surviving cell] has already passed the front and latteral FIA crash test in the first attempt. [I assume the rear depends on an engine/gearbox to be mounted ? Cossie not ready yet ?]
And Bruno said that there wasn't bad feelings about the BrawnGP seat along Rubens, that everybody looks for he best for himself.
Then the radio released a recorded message from Rubens saying that he is availlable to give some advice to him on car set-up and circuits, bcs he [Rub] always had a good relationship w/ the Senna clan and that Ayrton offered the same assistance to Rubens, which he took in Monaco.
Then Bruno said OK, he would be constantly at the Williams garage.
Clatter
Nov 7 2009, 17:55
QUOTE (One @ Oct 28 2009, 13:12)

Can a GP2 car modified in such way that it suits F1 reg?
I mean this question has NOTHING to do with Campos tho...
I suspect it would probably be harder and more costly to do than starting from scratch.
Clatter
Nov 7 2009, 18:05
QUOTE (egg1980 @ Oct 29 2009, 14:06)

The GP2 car weighs almost 700 kilos without the driver, the weight limit in F1 with the driver is 600 (usually using ballast to bring it up to the required weight. Assuming your driver weighs at least 70 kilos that means they would need to shave off 170 kilos from the car, whilst simultaneously strengthening the cars crash structures. Shedding a Kilo from an F1 car requires hundreds of hours of FE and Stress analysis work.
Heck taking 170KG out of Joint Strike Fighter took BAE Systems, Rolls Royce and Lockheed Martin's best brains months to achieve!
Where did you get the weight from? I looked on the GP2 web page, but couldn't find the specs, but this site
http://www.chrisprey.com/cars/cars.html#gp2 gives the weight as 585kg.
showtime
Nov 9 2009, 11:10
http://www.thef1.com/noticias/noticias-200...-test-de-la-fiaNew Spanish team has informed that his car has already passed the FIA crash tests.
"Campo's car is the most developed of the new teams" said Bruno Sena to Radio Bandeirantes (Brasil).
The car will be ready for January."It has passed frontal and lateral crash tests, the most important ones" Senna confirmed.
The 26 years old driver is in Italy to see the car and work in preliminary adjustments.
highdownforce
Nov 10 2009, 15:02
So, B. Senna will be officially announced in the next hour at Parque Tecnológico Fuente Álamo de Murcia, right?
highdownforce
Nov 10 2009, 19:11
B. Senna has been officially presented as Campos Meta driver this afternoon at Murcia.
QUOTE
My goal is to be, someday, world champion in Formula 1. I'm eager to meet my new team mate to get to work and develop the car as soon as possible.
Source.
QUOTE (Clatter @ Nov 7 2009, 18:55)

I suspect it would probably be harder and more costly to do than starting from scratch.
Excuse me for my wild imagination. By reaing this thread I assume more members were thinking about it.
But in away....
It is exciting to see if the tub of the car is reused and sell around it being modifid. IN this way the team solely concentrate on areo cost, power plant is Cossie so for the first year boy this might not b such a bad idea...
Ham's Cranes Ltd
Nov 11 2009, 11:20
I don't know if this has been comment yet, but Bruno Senna will drive for free this 2 years, no salary for him.
Delivery date for their first car is down for the end of January apparently.
egg1980
Nov 11 2009, 12:15
From today's news
"I hope, in a short time, that everybody remembers me for being Bruno,"
http://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content...baron_cohen.jpg
showtime
Nov 11 2009, 12:19
According to Cadena SER the second driver will be Pastor Maldonado with PDVSA as the main sponsor, the Spanish sponsor could be Mango.

highdownforce
Nov 11 2009, 13:06
That rules out Petrobras completely.
Captain Tightpants
Nov 11 2009, 13:13
QUOTE (showtime @ Nov 11 2009, 23:19)

According to Cadena SER the second driver will be Pastor Maldonado with PDVSA as the main sponsor, the Spanish sponsor could be Mango.
According to F1 Live, it's still between Maldonado with his PDVSA backing, and Vitaly Petrov with Gazprom/Gazprom Neft (Gazprom is natrual gas, Gazprom Neft is their oil operations).
showtime
Nov 11 2009, 13:22
I just hope Mango's logo to be white letters over black background and not the other way around because a black and blue/red livery would be so much better than another white and blue/red car.
Captain Tightpants
Nov 11 2009, 13:28
QUOTE (showtime @ Nov 12 2009, 00:22)

I just hope Mango's logo to be white letters over black background and not the other way around because a black and blue/red livery would be so much better than another white and blue/red car.
What is it about people?
Someone from the team - in this case, Adrian Campos, the
owner and the guy it is named after - says one thing, that they've narrowed it down to two drivers. At the same time, a news report emerges, which contradicts what Campos has said, and claims they have already signed a driver and have sponsorship lined up. And ywt you choose to believe the news report over the word of Campos himself.
Why?
lafitek
Nov 11 2009, 13:29
QUOTE (Ham's Cranes Ltd @ Nov 11 2009, 12:20)

I don't know if this has been comment yet, but Bruno Senna will drive for free this 2 years, no salary for him.
he has personal sponsors Ebratel and Banco Nacional (speculations..) .....app. 7 mil. $ for him per year
highdownforce
Nov 11 2009, 13:33
QUOTE (lafitek @ Nov 11 2009, 11:29)

he has personal sponsors Ebratel and Banco Nacional (speculations..) .....app. 7 mil. $ for him per year
I guess it will be something like that, Embratel/Telmex as personal sponsor. Not bringing money for Campos, not taking out.
FormerF1Driver
Nov 11 2009, 13:34
Gazprom is blue, the car will be predominatelty blue. with silver campos mega logo
highdownforce
Nov 11 2009, 13:36
And the reported Spanish flag on the nose?
Like
here.
FormerF1Driver
Nov 11 2009, 13:38
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 11 2009, 13:36)

And the reported Spanish flag on the nose?
Nah, too cheesy. Save that for USGPE with extra helping of cheese. Campos mega will be classy and big balled racers.
showtime
Nov 11 2009, 14:08
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Nov 11 2009, 14:28)

What is it about people?
Someone from the team - in this case, Adrian Campos, the owner and the guy it is named after - says one thing, that they've narrowed it down to two drivers. At the same time, a news report emerges, which contradicts what Campos has said, and claims they have already signed a driver and have sponsorship lined up. And ywt you choose to believe the news report over the word of Campos himself.
Why?
I didn't, that's why I said blue/red (Gazprom/PDVSA).
showtime
Nov 11 2009, 14:10
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 11 2009, 14:36)

And the reported Spanish flag on the nose?
Like
here.
I don't like it but I won't be surprised if he finally includes it.
QUOTE (FormerF1Driver @ Nov 11 2009, 14:38)

Nah, too cheesy. Save that for USGPE with extra helping of cheese. Campos mega will be classy and big balled racers.
I'm intrigued by your love for big balls, FormerF1Driver!!!!
And I fail to see why having a Spanish flag or not on the nose of the car has anything to do with "classy and big balled racers"
highdownforce
Nov 11 2009, 15:01
QUOTE (dank @ Nov 11 2009, 09:24)

Delivery date for their first car is down for the end of January apparently.
QUOTE
The car seems to be in a well developed state! I've sat in the monocoque, 'made a seat' and tested the power steering system!
QUOTE
I was happy to see the team really investing in the project!
QUOTE
The provisional delivery date for the first car is the end of january.
Bruno's
twitter.
highdownforce
Nov 11 2009, 15:40
QUOTE (femi @ Nov 11 2009, 13:08)

'Interesting' position for Adrian Campos and B. Senna, isn't it?
With Maldonado or Petrov bringing huge sponsorship money, they would become something like a #1 driver.
lustigson
Nov 11 2009, 18:39
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 11 2009, 16:40)

'Interesting' position for Adrian Campos and B. Senna, isn't it?
With Maldonado or Petrov bringing huge sponsorship money, they would become something like a #1 driver.
Well, Pitpass states that B. Senna Lalli brings sponsors, too. And previously, A. Campos Suñer announced his "prime objective of being not only the first Spanish Formula 1 team, but rather the first Iberian-American F1 team." Venezuelan P. Maldonado would fit in nicely with that goal.
highdownforce
Nov 11 2009, 18:42
QUOTE (lustigson @ Nov 11 2009, 16:39)

Well, Pitpass states that B. Senna Lalli brings sponsors, too. And previously, A. Campos Suñer announced his "prime objective of being not only the first Spanish Formula 1 team, but rather the first Iberian-American F1 team." Venezuelan P. Maldonado would fit in nicely with that goal.
As I've understood, for the moment Bruno brings only personal sponsors and minor sponsors. And tht he hopes to work together with Campos in order to find more sponsorship money for the team.
Captain Tightpants
Nov 11 2009, 22:05
If it were me, I'd say Vitaly Petrov would be the better choice, even if Maldonado can wave more money around (and I suspect that may be the only reason why they're entertaining the notion of hiring him). Petrov has worked with Campos before; if anyone can get the most out of the team, it's him.
showtime
Nov 14 2009, 12:17
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80157Campos thrilled with Dallara's progress
By Matt Beer Saturday, November 14th 2009, 11:01 GMT
The Campos team is confident that it is well on course to be ready for its first Formula 1 season after driver Bruno Senna had a seat fitting at the Dallara factory.
Senna is the first driver to be signed by Adrian Campos's team, which the Spaniard is running in collaboration with the Meta organisation. Italian constructor Dallara is providing cars for the project.
"With each visit to Dallara, the advances in the car are more evident and we are starting to see it in its final size after having observed the development on scale during the wind tunnel working stage," said Campos.
Toni Cuquerella, the Campos engineer overseeing Dallara's work, added that the team had been able to get a head-start on its preparations for the 2010 races.
"The project is really advanced and we have already passed all the internal tests of homologation," he said. "Dallara has been working extraordinarily hard for months and we are really happy with the results up to now.
"Thanks to the current advanced development of the car and the data provided by Dallara, we have been able to carry out the first simulations in almost all the circuits that will organise a Formula 1 grand prix in 2010."
Senna was also delighted with current progress - and particularly the significant moment of his seat fitting.
"Being able to sit inside the car, do a seat fit and allow Dallara to make a tailor made, moulded seat, taking into account my exact height and proportions, constitutes another step forward in order to be present in the F1 group test sessions in February," said the Brazilian.
"I have raced in cars made by Dallara before and I trust completely in their way of working as well as their experience and quality.
"We are a new team and we are going to struggle at the beginning for sure, but if we keep on working in this direction, we will be able to make a good debut in our first season."
QUOTE (showtime @ Nov 14 2009, 13:17)

Toni Cuquerella, the Campos engineer overseeing Dallara's work,
If I'm not wrong he's the former Kubica's track engineer.
stalix
Nov 14 2009, 19:38
steph90
Nov 14 2009, 21:47
Thanks for the picture Stalix
I think Bruno could be good. I expect Lotus may be the top new team but I'm hopeful for Campos. I would stick Petrov next to him. One young promise and one experienced driver would be ideal but that lineup should be ok
FormerF1Driver
Nov 15 2009, 14:21
Hoping for Petrov next to Senna. Could be an all time great pairing. Plenty of talent, balls(big) and future champs. Petrov is also a big balled racer Andre the giant style. Like me. Pure class.
QUOTE (gio66 @ Nov 14 2009, 16:54)

If I'm not wrong he's the former Kubica's track engineer.
You are not. I hope Campos start building up a good human-force among the team.
WorldChampion
Nov 15 2009, 16:58
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 11 2009, 16:40)

'Interesting' position for Adrian Campos and B. Senna, isn't it?
With Maldonado or Petrov bringing huge sponsorship money, they would become something like a #1 driver.
Pay drivers were never 1st drivers, not even Lauda in his MARCH days
whats this smiley

for???
ivanalesi
Nov 15 2009, 22:34
I hope for Maldonado, he's got lots of sheer talent and he's a very exciting driver. Maldonado-Senna at Monaco should be awesome!
Captain Tightpants
Nov 16 2009, 00:39
I'm still hoping for Petrov. Someone keeps updating the 2010 season page on Wikipedia with a source that claims he has the drive, but you have to register to use it. Something called Wix.
I'm for Petrov as well, he's the safest bet out of the two. It would be great to see a Russian driver in F1, I would definitely try to make it to the Canadian GP for support!
steph90
Nov 18 2009, 10:16
Capt T I think Petrov will get the drive from general feeling with news sites I use he is more likely. Then again F1 is not known for its predicitability
I hope Petrov gets the seat although I agree with ivanalesi... Senna and Maldonado in Monaco would be outstanding. My problem with Pastor though is that he is still bloody dangerous. He's a complete liability on a racetrack.
The battle between these two for the Campos seat will be fascinating though, and could hugely increase the team's budget.
Don't forget that all of Petrov's sponsos are state-funded as he is bezzie mates with Vladimir Putin.
On the other side though, all of Maldonado's sponors are state-funded as he is bezzie mates with Hugo Chavez.
It's a post communist fight of finance. Seriously, the money either driver brings with him to the team could spiral to ridiculous levels before this thing is over.
Captain Tightpants
Nov 18 2009, 10:50
If Renault are indeed eyeing a 40% sale to a Russian backer - said to be someone connected to MegaFon, one of the team's sponsors - Petrov could find himself in Formula One even if the Campos deal falls through.
noikeee
Nov 18 2009, 13:56
And Maldonado must be really eager for that to happen...
highdownforce
Nov 23 2009, 19:50
QUOTE
Bruno Senna's team, Campos Meta F-1 receives first 'homologation' from FIA
Team Principal says that there is still long way to go until 2010
The Campos Meta F-1 Team, which will make its debut at the World Championship next year, informed on Monday that their cars received the first approval by the International Automobile Federation (FIA).
The new team, through which the Brazilian Bruno Senna will run, said in a statement that on November 18 technicians of the FIA granted the approval after a test conducted at the company's chassis builder, Dallara, in Parma, Italy.
Adrián Campos, Team Principal, said that "there is a long way to go," but said the team has "tranquility to continue fulfilling all the steps to be able to run in the first race on the calendar in March in Bahrain".
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