 F1 drivers drug takers? - Is it New Year's Eve already? |
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 Dec 29 2004, 23:05
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Dec 29 2004, 23:10
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No way!! Who would be so thick as to jeopodise themselves and everyone else by doing that?? It begs belief. I can't imagine that to be true.
If it is, I'm going to have to seriously rethink the plot of my book!! |
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Dec 29 2004, 23:10
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Go ask Rene Arnoux. . . .
*Desparate attempt to avoid a libel suit mode* Or so I have Heard |
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Dec 29 2004, 23:13
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Ah, a 68 year old doctor. Maybe he's still referring to the " good ol' " (note parentheses) seventies/eighties/early nineties?
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Dec 29 2004, 23:27
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James Hunt's physician?
Actually... even James hunt was a good lad and abstained from drinking, smoking (ciggies and the wacky stuff), and whoring the week before a race. He was very strict about it... that is until he found out about the FIA decision to disqualify him from the British GP. |
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Dec 29 2004, 23:32
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Well Enge got caught some year ago in F3000 so it's possible.
Who was that Schuey's indian "drug provider" .. Kimi might be in some stuff too punching track marshalls after race .. Trulli's drug loses it's effect before the end of race .. This isn't serious accusations, just some stir 
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Dec 29 2004, 23:40
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Enge had pot in his system, very different from cocaine imo. Pot is hardly a performance enhancer, but it is well known for staying in your body for a long time (meaning he could have puffed any time, not just during a race wknd).
Sometimes the world isn't fair. Ross Rebagliatti gets to keep his Olympic gold medal, but Tomas Enge's F1 career is irreparably destroyed. |
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Dec 30 2004, 00:31
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The thing about Enge was greatly unfortunate. I know him personally and he is nice guy, not exactly intellectual but very fine person.
On the other hand, I bet Benigno Bartolett is on something really... |
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Dec 30 2004, 06:44
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Have you ever met anyone who smoked pot and WAS intellectual?
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Dec 30 2004, 07:12
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yeah right. for whats at stake, i dont think so.
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Dec 30 2004, 07:21
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Originally posted by Pioneer
Have you ever met anyone who smoked pot and WAS intellectual? Tons of kids who attend universities.. |
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Dec 30 2004, 07:34
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Originally posted by Tomecek
The thing about Enge was greatly unfortunate. I know him personally and he is nice guy, not exactly intellectual but very fine person. On the other hand, I bet Benigno Bartolett is on something really... I'm sure he'll be happy to know that his friend thinks he's "not exactly intellectual"  With friends like this.......
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Dec 30 2004, 07:34
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Originally posted by Tomecek
http://www.theprancinghorse.co.uk/news/12_dec/2004/37.html Is it some kind of joke or what? LOL, all the money in the racing world can't make Schumacher photogenic. How in the world can this guy constantly make goofy faces whenever a photo camera is pointed at him? |
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Dec 30 2004, 07:47
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Originally posted by Chubby_Deuce
Tons of kids who attend universities.. So they can smoke pot and attend childish frat parties .. not to study. shaggy |
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Dec 30 2004, 08:14
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Both Björn Wirdheim and Stefan Johansson have laughed off this story as a "joke". According to Wirdheim all drivers have been tested many times during the course of the season, its impossible to use cocaine in any sport today on the highest level and get away with it. Especiall during a race as its claimed. A very lame story indeed.
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Dec 30 2004, 08:16
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Originally posted by Pioneer
Have you ever met anyone who smoked pot and WAS intellectual? Originally posted by Chubby_Deuce
Tons of kids who attend universities.. Originally posted by shaggy
So they can smoke pot and attend childish frat parties .. not to study. shaggy ohh dear.... Pot is quite different from coke, and.... ahh never mind.... I'll never understand the obsession with Pot. And yes, i am Dutch, and yes I too smoked regularly during my university years, and yes I did gratuate, have my own business and did not end up in the gutter...... Pot isnt worse ór better than alcohol is! |
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Dec 30 2004, 08:16
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Originally posted by Tomecek
The thing about Enge was greatly unfortunate. I know him personally and he is nice guy, not exactly intellectual but very fine person. Nice guys do cheat, too. Even if some nice guy is able to convince you he doesn't cheat (they usually are able) he could still do it. |
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Dec 30 2004, 08:19
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Originally posted by shaggy
So they can smoke pot and attend childish frat parties .. not to study. shaggy You can't really attend school without studying or doing the assigned work. If you manage to alter your state of mind every now and then as well, good for you. |
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Dec 30 2004, 08:40
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This one is already being warped, with f1racing.net adding 'current field' to the story.
Edit: forgot the link. http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=72865 |
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Dec 30 2004, 09:16
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Originally posted by wagner
Nice guys do cheat, too. Even if some nice guy is able to convince you he doesn't cheat (they usually are able) he could still do it. Well, you call weed skin test a cheat? His explanation was that he'd been in a disco and there everything is possible... but pot/weed or whatever, it DOESNT enhance your performance, I may write down here some 10 pages of explanations, but what weed does to your reactions is to slow them down, your mind is sooooo much slower, and believe me, I do smoke weed! Weed is like alcohol, you take it to have fun and only in limited cases to have inspiration. The only positive is that your concentration only at a extremely small percantage of time is real huge at one task, but if you go hi and then drive... Turn 1, kiss me! They got adrenaline rush that we may experience only in sex, and with such a great heart rate even if you are very hi, it wont last for more than 30-50 minutes, no way a whole race, nevermind pre-race procedure. NO drug can make your mind go faster, there are amphetamins but they are rush, you just like to think your brain spins faster. Generally every drug slows down reaction or make you loose any concentration. I know there are medicines which a lot of students get before exams which improve brain performance but I stick to coca-cola(because of the cofein, not that it has coke which i doubt) with a lot of vitamin C. It would be really nice if one of their trainers explain how they make their drinks before a race, i have seen drinks in all colors 
To this date, I believe that Enge's case was arranged, or at least co-arranged by FFSA to make Bourdois champ, they even allowed at Monza half of the field to run with a whole wing element! W/o this he should have been 3rd(behind Enge and Pantano), not champ and now probably driving for Henri Pescarolo sports car team :\ But those italian doctor should be on crack, coke is the most stupid drug along with heroin, you do addict to it, if you dont get coke, your feelings are crashed, you dont have joy and so on, this is very stupid... heroin does damage to the brain, do kill mln of brain cells:) |
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Dec 30 2004, 09:40
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Utter B.S. this one. If this guy is a doctor, then he would acknowledge cocaine dangerous in racing in the first place. Not only after one and a half hour. The feeling of being invincible is exactly what is the problem and makes that decision making is affected. Maybe some racers have used it in the seventies, but definitely not today.
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Dec 30 2004, 09:42
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Originally posted by Chubby_Deuce
This one is already being warped, with f1racing.net adding 'current field' to the story. Edit: forgot the link. http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=72865 Sad that some websites only use CTRL+C and CTRL+V. Even sadder when they don't even verify what they are actually copy-pasting. |
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Dec 30 2004, 09:48
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One legendary driver of the past who has been addicted to morphia but eventually overcame his addiction was Archille Varzi. He had a German girl friend introducing him to the habit.
This was pre-war. about nowadays drivers, I have no idea if and who. Henri Greuter |
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Dec 30 2004, 10:55
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Use of performance enhancing drugs is rife throughout the sporting world. I would be astonished if motor-racing was exempt from that. If F1 drivers felt they could get an advantage from using cocaine or steroids or EPO or beta blockers whatever, some of them would be tempted to try. If top Olympians do it, why should we imagine that our sport to be clean?
As for cocaine, it is also a matter of having too much money and time on your hands. Look at the top footballers who regularly get caught for cocaine useage. I can well imagine certain drivers, with the same intellectual abilities and ethics as footballers, also falling prey to this vice. Irvine is a name that comes to mind - not that I have any reason to think he did/does coke, but his famous party lifestyle must surely have put him in the way of temptation. Likewise maybe guys like Jenson or Jacques - young, rich, famous, fashionable. We should not fall into the trap of complacency or of imagining that our sport is somehow above such things. It ain't. Not that I would have any faith in the FIA's drug-testing - for all their public protestations, I reckon they would be very loath to admit that anyone had been driving a high-powered racing car whilst on drugs. |
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Dec 30 2004, 11:23
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Speed itself probably has a big influence in the natural release of hormones in the body and other stuff in the brain that can produce a feeling of well being, much in the same way that psychotropic drugs work. I would be very surprised if all professional racers are NOT addicted to speed.
But this is different from the use of controlled substances, and I digress from the topic of the thread... Cheers. |
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Dec 30 2004, 11:54
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Originally posted by scheivlak
Ah, a 68 year old doctor. Maybe he's still referring to the " good ol' " (note parentheses) seventies/eighties/early nineties? Yeah - I don't know about F1 but several of the Indy car drivers of the 70s and 80s were doing nose candy and one won the Indy 500. |
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Dec 30 2004, 12:10
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Originally posted by Buford
Yeah - I don't know about F1 but several of the Indy car drivers of the 70s and 80s were doing nose candy and one won the Indy 500. Is the 500 winner Al Jr? |
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Dec 30 2004, 12:22
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OK two.
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Dec 30 2004, 13:13
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They may use it in lifestyle, but not to enhance their performance, this simply a great BS.
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Dec 30 2004, 14:02
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Seems like F1racing.net pulled the story? Cant find it on their mainpage anymore.
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Dec 30 2004, 14:27
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Im sure there are healthier uppers than cocaine to enhance a drivers alertness.
Examples: Red Bull (every driver already guzzles tons of this stuff) CCII (very healthy and cheap too) Anyway, if they do use illegal drugs to enhance performance, trust me they could easily get away with it PS- if one wanted to feel invincible try PCP |
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Dec 30 2004, 15:17
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As a person who, unfortunately, has quite a bit of experience with cocaine I can tell you that story is bunk. A cocaine high does not last 90 minutes. At best maybe 30 minutes and then you start to feel crappy unless you do a few more lines. Your performance would start to deteriorate after the initial high. They would have to be fed with an IV to stay at peak levels. Of course, I'm sure in F1 that could be arranged with a button on the wheel.LOL. I would think amphetamines would be a more likely choice. The whole problem with coke, that makes it so expensive and addictive, is the short lived high that needs constant re-inforcement.
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Dec 30 2004, 15:58
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Originally posted by shaggy
So they can smoke pot and attend childish frat parties .. not to study. shaggy whats wrong with fraternity parties? |
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Dec 30 2004, 16:37
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Originally posted by dick
As a person who, unfortunately, has quite a bit of experience with cocaine I can tell you that story is bunk. A cocaine high does not last 90 minutes. At best maybe 30 minutes and then you start to feel crappy unless you do a few more lines. What do you think those pot stops are for ;) Yes I know coke and pot are different... |
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Dec 30 2004, 16:50
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Originally posted by Pioneer
Have you ever met anyone who smoked pot and WAS intellectual? I met and knew a few "intelligent" people who smoked pot. They only did it about once a month on average though, not really often. I met and knew a shitload of stupid people who smoked almost daily. In fact my two flatmates fit into that category. "Pot is not dangerous" kind of people. Smoke themselves stupid and don't notice it because pot gives the nice feeling of "getting it" (I think THC has that effect?). On general I dislike people who smoke regularly (more than 2-3 times a week) a lot. I never smoked myself so listening to someone explaining to you how working to cover your expenses is stupid or how all the world's population would die off completely if someone turned the electricity off is kind of tiresome. Yeah, that's the we "get it" level of intellect displayed by those people and I don't like it at all. Pot is not as easy to really get addicted to but if consumed en masse the effects are pretty much the same as with any other drug (asocialisation). I still need to figure out if the people who do a lot of pot went utterly stupid because of it or whether they consume that much because they, in fact, are stupid and were stupid before that already. |
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Dec 30 2004, 17:01
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Originally posted by RJL
Sometimes the world isn't fair. Ross Rebagliatti gets to keep his Olympic gold medal, but Tomas Enge's F1 career is irreparably destroyed. Hey hey hey...someone BLEW that smoke in Ross' face!!!  Good gawd..he was partying in WHISTLER!!... 
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Dec 30 2004, 17:20
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I am entering the realms of libel here but didn't Stirling Moss once use performance enhancing drugs for one of his Mille Miglia races ? someone was saying that to me over dinner the other night, please delete this post if it is a libellous slur against a racing legend
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Dec 30 2004, 17:37
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Originally posted by PhilKerr
I am entering the realms of libel here but didn't Stirling Moss once use performance enhancing drugs for one of his Mille Miglia races ? someone was saying that to me over dinner the other night, please delete this post if it is a libellous slur against a racing legend I don't remember the exact story, but... I vaguely remember reading something (I think in Stirling Moss, My Cars, My Career) that Juan Manuel Fangio gave Stirling an energy drink (or something)that he ocassionally used. Stirling tried it. He kept it and had it analyzed and no one knew what it was. EDIT: Check out post #13 on down from this thread (Doug Nye post #31 is particularly interesting): http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?s...ling+Moss+drugs |
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Dec 30 2004, 18:07
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Like someone else said, go ask Rene Arnoux....But, that was then and this is now. There is no way a driver can get away with taking any drug during a race weekend with all the testing. Also, F1 cars aren't as gnarly as they were in the late 70's early 80's when the braveness of a driver made an impact on lap times.
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Dec 30 2004, 18:29
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Originally posted by Real Estate Queen
Speed itself probably has a big influence in the natural release of hormones in the body and other stuff in the brain that can produce a feeling of well being. The first time you go 150kph yes, and the first time you go 200 and 250 and 300... but not the second time... the second time its like driving along at 50kph going to the shops - u get used to speed really quickly. You can't drive effectively with "a feeling of well being." I'm not a scientist though. :\ as for cocaine during a race -
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